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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 02:38 AM
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OOohhh, finally... hope you will post some dimensions of the fabbed parts
Couple of questions:
What kind of welder are u using?
Did you leave some spots unwelded on the bottom of the plates to let eventual water drain out?
Did you paint the faces that were going towards the frame?
Or are you going to cover everything up with some bondo or rinolining stuff?
Do you have an estimation of the total added weight?
I could calculate the new real torque and power with this infos along with the stroker specs.
I know this is going to be an awesome build thread.
Congrats for your acheivement my friend.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.JayDeeM
damn nice welds!

My sheetmetal welds are anything but nice.


If it's thicker than 22 gauge (like the steering box supports) ... then I feel better showing them off.


But thank you for the compliments.



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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by fantic238
OOohhh, finally... hope you will post some dimensions of the fabbed parts
Wasn't planning on it ... because of the high level of custom and the fact that few people would want to do all the things in one shot. The 4 link calculations I posted one before give a good idea. I intend to re-post that here.


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Couple of questions:
Oh great ........


Originally Posted by fantic238
What kind of welder are u using?

Where you see MIG welds .... Hobart 175. .023/0.30/0.035 wires -- all with shielding gas. Where you see TIG welds ... Lincoln Precision 355 -- with argon shielding gas.


Originally Posted by fantic238
Did you leave some spots unwelded on the bottom of the plates to let eventual water drain out?

They were drilled after I welded the frame plates on. Didn't want to take a chance trying to match up holes. I did mark them when they were installed, so I could utilze the existing holes in the rails.


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Did you paint the faces that were going towards the frame?

Yes ... and I mentioned it already. Zinc Primer/Cold Galvinizing compound. Brand I used was ZRC Worldwide.


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Or are you going to cover everything up with some bondo or rinolining stuff?

Patience.


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Do you have an estimation of the total added weight?

Not even a clue. The best I can do is weigh the vehicle after it's all done. A lot of weight was definitely added.

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I could calculate the new real torque and power with this infos along with the stroker specs.

I really wasn't keen on getting a stroker, actually. I would have been just as satisfied with a regular 4.0 motor. I know how to make them respond. The motor in my 4.0 had so much torque I didn't know what to do with it. Now I cannot imagine the additional torque from the stroker combo. But the motor deal was too good to pass up (no cash exchanged hands .... )


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I know this is going to be an awesome build thread.
Congrats for your acheivement my friend.

Glad you like it. Hope it's worth the wait ---I'll be stretching this out a bit.

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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:14 AM
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Now that all immediate chassis/frame work has been completed .... time to pretend I'm a body man again.


Some POR 15, followed by etching primer & epoxy primer .... and we have ....








The trans tunnel has been done as well. But I don't have any pictures of that.



Once everything cured ... I got my shutz gun and sprayed some Speedliner (with Kevlar) in the bay. Should last longer than the rest of the vehicle.







The 2 black spots by the shock mounts were my decision to remove some of the primer in anticipation of shock mods later on. I will "touch up" the area when I am done.




Once the liner cured .... Jay (from Philly area) came up to help me get the motor in.






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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:19 AM
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When the motor was installed, I simply bolted the trans to the block. There is no clutch, flywheel, etc installed at this point. It's mainly in place so I can mock my drivetrain measurements & dimensions.



At any rate, some time in the wayyyy distant past I purchased one of these.







Ain't she purdy?



Disassembling for rebuild and some parts changing.








Washing down with POR prep and painting. Gotta make sure it shines to impress everyone.










Definitely enough bearings & needles.






What I swapped out.







New guts, new shaft.









Lemme tell you ..... this sucker is heavy. I think it weighed 72 lbs on the scale.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:39 AM
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Also ... In that same way distant past, I purchased one of these. Thirty bucks !!!








No wonder it was only 30 bucks !!!









News Bulletin. Oil is an accepted lubricant. Mud is not. Never seen gears this melted before.





Located some good used gears (take note how clean and shiny it is inside) and installed a JB Conversions HD rear output. A front output will be installed someday as cash funds allow. There are more important things I need to get for the Jeep in the mean time.



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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 07:06 AM
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Where you see MIG welds .... Hobart 175. .023/0.30/0.035 wires -- all with shielding gas. Where you see TIG welds ... Lincoln Precision 355 -- with argon shielding gas.
Your TIG welds are ok, for the MIG it's all a matter of settings. When you weld thick metal to thin sheet, there come the problems. Since you have both, try welding the first layer with the TIG, even if the metal is thicker than 5mm. Then cover the weld with the mig setted for thick metal. They will look better.
They were drilled after I welded the frame plates on. Didn't want to take a chance trying to match up holes. I did mark them when they were installed, so I could utilze the existing holes in the rails.
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Yes ... and I mentioned it already. Zinc Primer/Cold Galvinizing compound. Brand I used was ZRC Worldwide.
Sorry, didn't get that.
Not even a clue. The best I can do is weigh the vehicle after it's all done. A lot of weight was definitely added.

Glad you like it. Hope it's worth the wait ---I'll be stretching this out a bit.
hehe, forget the post glory, GET IT WHEELING!
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 07:23 AM
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Wooh, the dana300 looks like it was buried in the middle ages, and recently found, lol.
Will you use double shifters? That will be three levers with the first reducer.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 07:34 AM
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Settings can only get you so far.


A lot has to do with the machine. Hobart is the "economy line" for Miller Welding. Similar construction ... cheaper materials.


The "biggie" is the lack of heat settings. 4 positions is all you get. That stems mostly from using aluminum windings inside the machine (instead of copper). The aluminum doesn't have the ability to disperse the heat like the copper does. Nor does it conduct metal as well. Both of these effect how low you can turn the amperage down (and still have a solid arc). Obviously, If you have a 110 (lower US voltage) machine .... you won't run into this issue. I'm currently trying to work to work out a deal with a private buyer for their Miller 252DX machine. For what it's worth --- I'm not the only person I know with this issue. That's why all the local collision shops have 2 machines. A 110 unit for all the sheetmetal work and a 220 unit for anything over 11 gauge.

This build is taking long enough ... I don't have the time to TIG an entire frame rail. Especially where there are inconsistent gaps. And the weld-thru primer does not "play nice" with TIG. Even the manufacturer suggested only ARC or MIG welding with their product. ESAB makes a wire that I will be trying soon. It's a "soft" wire designed for body work. Not rated for structural load .... but should be suitable for fender & body work.


I appreciate your input .... but I have a pretty good handle on how to weld. Sometimes you just can't have picture perfect welds, even though they can be as solid as heck. There is a reason for undercoating, you understand.



I'm still building it. All my "friends" disappeared when I needed them the most. See if I ever lift a finger to help them again.

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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by fantic238
Wooh, the dana300 looks like it was buried in the middle ages, and recently found, lol.

Probably not far from the truth. But it cleaned up nicely with some glass bead & alum oxide media.



Originally Posted by fantic238
Will you use double shifters? That will be three levers with the first reducer.

Yes ... I will use a twin stick. You did an awful lot of schooling to do basic level math.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 08:22 AM
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The "biggie" is the lack of heat settings. 4 positions is all you get. That stems mostly from using aluminum windings inside the machine (instead of copper). The aluminum doesn't have the ability to disperse the heat like the copper does. Nor does it conduct metal as well. Both of these effect how low you can turn the amperage down (and still have a solid arc). Obviously, If you have a 110 (lower US voltage) machine .... you won't run into this issue. I'm currently trying to work to work out a deal with a private buyer for their Miller 252DX machine. For what it's worth --- I'm not the only person I know with this issue. That's why all the local collision shops have 2 machines. A 110 unit for all the sheetmetal work and a 220 unit for anything over 11 gauge.
I see, 220v? where are you?
We've got 380v triple phase in the shop, the MIG is of a local builder, there are dozens aroud here. Current settings go from 1 to 10. It's a very old unit, but works great.
I appreciate your input .... but I have a pretty good handle on how to weld. Sometimes you just can't have picture perfect welds, even though they can be as solid as heck. There is a reason for undercoating, you understand.
Oh yes, structural rigidity and appereance aren't friends, that's why we (eng.) don't get along with architects.
I'm still building it. All my "friends" disappeared when I needed them the most. See if I ever lift a finger to help them again.
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That suks, they weren't real friends then. If i was there, i would have helped you with pleasure.
Yes ... I will use a twin stick. You did an awful lot of schooling to do basic level math.
eheheh, you don't even imagine my friend, the stuff that has come to my hands, gone through my brain (and my wallet) and back to the road.
Don't go cheap with those sticks. They bend like butter, especially those with the thin bar welded to the plate, crap.
These:
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 08:32 AM
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I see, 220v? where are you?
We've got 380v triple phase in the shop, the MIG is of a local builder, there are dozens aroud here. Current settings go from 1 to 10. It's a very old unit, but works great.

110 and 220 are the "normal" supplied household currents in the States. 110 would be your lights, radio, computer, vibrator, fridge, etc. 220 is common used for electric baseboard heat, electric dryer, and so forth. Most garages or shops in the area are limited to 220 single phase unless they choose to pay for 3 phase. Then it typically jumps to 440 volts.


As such .... I chose the 220 volt, 175 amp (output) welder for the abiilty to do thicker materials. I remain on single phase. When I purchase a larger mill, I will buy one of those converter/generators to power the mill.



I will be making my own shifters. Something a bit nicer than that.




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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 08:39 AM
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Didn't know that, i thought you had only 110v in the states in houses.
Vibrator? no such thing in my house, only natural products, lol eheheh
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 08:40 AM
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Vibrator? no such thing in my house, only natural products, lol eheheh


Was wondering if you'd spot that.


You miss the pictures and comments about the weld thru/galvinizing compound ---- but you catch that.



Tells me where your mind is.



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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 09:53 AM
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You miss the pictures and comments about the weld thru/galvinizing compound
Nono, i saw and read, i just didn't get it was done before all the welding, you know, it's not my language, i often have to read things twice and look up the words before i get it, and i'm supposed to be at work at the moment, it's 4:30pm here and i spent all the day on pro/eng, my eyes are tired. Forgive me.
Tells me where your mind is.
eehh, when i said "stuff coming to my hands" it has a broader definition, lol
I don't know either where my mind is sometimes...
But let's not get off topic, i don't want to contaminate your build thread with my mental subtleties.
I wish you to get that panzer to wheel soon, at least for MOAB 2010
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