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Old 10-31-2014, 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by kgm
You are being fooled if you think anything Walmart stocks is of anything resembling "Quality".
Bingo.
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Originally Posted by kgm
You are being fooled if you think anything Walmart stocks is of anything resembling "Quality".

OH, come on..............................The Axe deodorant that I buy there smells just as good as if bought in a different store!
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Well, Walmart stocks Mobil 1 oil, and other decent brands...
All shopping is pick & choose. Lots of crap at a number of stores these days...
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The reason I buy oil at Walmart is because I can still buy valvoline full synthetic but it is cheaper than any other auto parts store
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Originally Posted by djb383

Again, I'm just curious from a sales volume standpoint, how Fram filters rank compared to the other major brands of oil filters.
It would not surprise me if Fram was not only the best selling, but by several multiples of the #2 manufacturer. They've done some very effective marketing over the years.
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When you consider Wal-Mart buys them by the train load not just a train car load but an entire train lol. They can buy them for so little as with a lot of things they buy from vendors they can be sold very cheap as shown by there sales fliers they out.

It all boils down to how good of a filtering job they do and in their case not very good at all, small amount of filtering material not even half of what most have in them.
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Originally Posted by kgm
You are being fooled if you think anything Walmart stocks is of anything resembling "Quality".
So.......with that analogy, one is saying don't buy Purolator, Mopar or MotorCraft oil filters either (at Walmart) because, in addition to the price being lower (at Walmart), the quality of those same Purolator, Mopar or MotorCraft filters is lower (at Walmart) than when those same filters r bought elsewhere. Really????????..........WTF?
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Originally Posted by Firehawk068
STP filters are actually pretty good filters..................I've seen cutaways.
They are made by Champion Labs, who also make the oil filters for Royal Purple, Mobil-1, Mopar, TRD, VW, and others........................
Uh-uh. They're not.

Champion Labs will make a filter to whatever price-point/specs you want.

They even make Mopar at times.

It's ALL about the specs the company who puts their name on the filter asks for.

Why not buy from the company who makes their own filters? The company who stands behind their stuff because THEIR name is on the filter?

The ones who never sent out pieces of junk to unsuspecting buyers?
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Originally Posted by Radi
It would not surprise me if Fram was not only the best selling, but by several multiples of the #2 manufacturer. They've done some very effective marketing over the years.
I'm kinda thinking along those same lines, but just haven't seen any specific numbers stating so. People will always find something bad to say about anything and will always have followers in droves to repeat the bashing. Apparently, Fram filters aren't as bad as some say over and over again because they seem to continue to fly off the shelves and have done so for many, many years. Buy whatever oil filter gives u the warm/fuzzies. Onward thru the fog.

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Originally Posted by dschappell
So I heard to only use the tough guard fram IF you must use a fram. So my question is, without starting the argument all over again, should I finish out the next 3,000 miles on this oil change with my fram or do another change with a better filter soon? Mopar is sold near me so if like to get that one
No need to do a full oil change! People running extended intervals do this all the time: Spin off your old filter, spin on a new one. You lose whatever oil is in the filter and the adapter on the block. Which, if the ABDV is failed, won't be much. Probably won't even use one quart of makeup oil.
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Originally Posted by djb383
I'm kinda thinking along those same lines, but just haven't seen any specific numbers stating so. People will always find something bad to say about anything and will always have followers in droves to repeat the bashing. Apparently, Fram filters aren't as bad as some say over and over again because they seem to continue to fly off the shelves and have done so for many, many years. Buy whatever oil filter gives u the warm/fuzzies. Onward thru the fog.
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Originally Posted by djb383

I'm kinda thinking along those same lines, but just haven't seen any specific numbers stating so. People will always find something bad to say about anything and will always have followers in droves to repeat the bashing. Apparently, Fram filters aren't as bad as some say over and over again because they seem to continue to fly off the shelves and have done so for many, many years. Buy whatever oil filter gives u the warm/fuzzies. Onward thru the fog.
By that logic a Big Mac must be really good for you because McDonalds sells so many? Try asking a doctor if that makes sense.

Duma's video is pretty revealing. There nothing arbitrary or old-wives tail about it.
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Originally Posted by salad
By that logic a Big Mac must be really good for you because McDonalds sells so many? Try asking a doctor if that makes sense.

Duma's video is pretty revealing. There nothing arbitrary or old-wives tail about it.
Good analogy.

It probably has more to do with the Sheeple in this country.
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Originally Posted by salad
By that logic a Big Mac must be really good for you because McDonalds sells so many? Try asking a doctor if that makes sense.

Duma's video is pretty revealing. There nothing arbitrary or old-wives tail about it.
Originally Posted by cruiser54
Good analogy.

It probably has more to do with the Sheeple in this country.

So........we've gone from a little friendly jousting about the possibly #1 selling oil filter in the world (that a handful don't like) to hamburgers, to derogatory remarks.......really?......where's the logic in that?

All I asked/stated was....does anybody have any oil filter sales volume numbers?......and am still curious. Myself, and others haven't bashed/flamed/name called any of the Fram haters here so why flame those that have possibly had a part in making Fram filters the #1 selling oil filter in the world. If the Fram filter design was that bad, how could the company still be in business much less possibly be the #1 oil filter manufacturer in the world. Could it possibly be that Fram filters r not as bad as the nay-sayers claim?

Again, buy/use whatever freakin' oil filter gives u the warm/fuzzies and move onward thru the fog.

Vegetables, meat and bread......the ingredients in a hamburger (even a Big Mac).....and all those ingredients r in any "Healthy Food Chart/Pyramid" as designed by doctors.

I'm going to go fire up the grill now (it takes a bit, no gas here)......how do u like your burger? I like mine medium well, with lots of delicious fresh veggies on a fresh whole grain bun......everything that's on that healthy food chart.
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By sheeple, I mean the masses that the mass merchandisers target with their ad campaigns.


It must work. I'd like to see the numbers also. .


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