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Do you think gasoline powered cars will ever be outlawed from the road?
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Current civilization will devour it's self first. We will be thrown back into the stone age soon and cars will not matter anymore Dave.
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Do you think gasoline powered cars will ever be outlawed from the road?
If they ever are I for one believe it will only apply to us serfs and peasants. Our overlords will be exempt just as they are from everything else. Of course, they may make exceptions if they are driven in parades and such in their honor. After that, back to the garage it goes. And, no, I am not kidding.
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Do you think gasoline powered cars will ever be outlawed from the road?
Listening to Moving Pictures Dave?
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If they ever are I for one believe it will only apply to us serfs and peasants. Our overlords will be exempt just as they are from everything else. Of course, they may make exceptions if they are driven in parades and such in their honor. After that, back to the garage it goes. And, no, I am not kidding.
Sounds about right...
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Sounds about right...
Lol! Yep. Seriously though, the dilemma in Daves scenario are the petroleum companies. They aren't just going to roll over and die for guys like Elon Musk, etc.
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And "Let there be Jeeps!"
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Eventually all humans will kill each other off on this rock. But that might be a few hundred or thousand years from now. In the mean time, companies like Exxon Mobil are working on algae biofuel that is basically an endless supply of fuel for not only cars but industries as well. Even better than solar. They just need to make it profitable and then oil will be nearly useless.

But back to cars and JEEPS, they will all be electric in the future, but the electricity will have to come from sources like the algae biofuel or some other source.

Will gasoline powered vehicles be outlawed? Probably not for at least 100 years. But we won't be around to know...
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Eventually all humans will kill each other off on this rock. But that might be a few hundred or thousand years from now.
I don't know... After many years of serious research I think we are only a couple years away from some very serious world wide food shortages. It has already starting to happen the last three years and is only going to get much worse. And as you know there is only one truly abundant major source of protein and calories on earth.
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While biofuel is a good alternative, I don't think it can replace petroleum in sufficient quantities necessary. At least not yet. The main reason for the world's love affair with internal combustion engines powered by petroleum fuel is cost. As the engines become more complex and crude oil becomes scarce, costs will rise until the average consumer won't be able to afford to own and maintain personal transportation.

At this point electric cars are very expensive to produce and maintain and reliability is an issue as well. Have you noticed what has happened to lithium stocks lately? Pretty soon wars will be fought over the necessary metal to produce batteries. Plus all that electricity to recharge those batteries is still coming from fossil fueled sources.

Something just popped into my mind like a flash! Saudi Arabia and other oil producing nations are starting to realize their entire societies are based solely on oil exports and they have no other source of income. With all that desert and sunshine, wouldn't it be smart to start building solar energy farms? We could do the same thing, but won't because oil is still where our infrastructure is based.
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Another thought just came thru. Solar cells produce DC current. Batteries need DC current to charge and only store DC current. Electricity needs to be AC to be transported long distances and feed our current homes and factories. There are going to be huge losses involved in the conversion.
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Another thought just came thru. Solar cells produce DC current. Batteries need DC current to charge and only store DC current. Electricity needs to be AC to be transported long distances and feed our current homes and factories. There are going to be huge losses involved in the conversion.
Absolutely. And panels only have an efficient life of about 15-20 years and then they need to be replaced just like the the batteries will.
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Has anyone figured out how to properly recycle lithium-ion batteries?
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Has anyone figured out how to properly recycle lithium-ion batteries?
Wait? they don't just disappear into thin air when you are done with them? See... They pass these regulations and then don't supply a practical solution for the end reality of that regulation. Dream world...
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