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XJ D44 VS. FSJ Waggy D44 VS. Ford 9"

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Old 01-21-2012, 09:33 AM
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well im trying to pick out new axles for my xj. i am already getting a front Waggy D44 to run but now im split on what to run for the rear between 3 different axles, XJ D44, Waggy D44 (that matches the front), and a Ford 9".
now i already paid $600 for some forged 1 piece aluminum beadlocks and i really dont want to let them go, but they have a 5x5 bolt pattern. now here are some reasons and some problems with these axles:

XJ D44-
i just bought one thinking it was the way i was going.
5x4.5 bolt pattern
pretty much bolt on
would have to change the front from 6x5.5 to 5x5.5

FSJ D44
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would match the front bolt pattern
same with as the front
can get both axles cheaper for what i paid for the XJ d44
would have to get rid of my beadlocks

Ford 9"-
would get cheap from Nascar race teams
35 spline shafts
full floater
disc brakes
would eventually run the True HI9
chance to make it a 4 link rear
can match 5x5 bolt pattern
would have to change front bolt pattern
probably the most expensive


now no matter what axle i choose im going to get a spool and 4.56 gears
anyone have any opinions?
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If you are looking for front and rear.. I would do the FSJ waggy axles. The 9" is a great axle, but it leaves you still needing a front axle. The xjd44 is an awesome axle, but still leaves you with a d30 front.. and having to do something with it to equal the strength of the rear.
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Originally Posted by Jeepjunky
well im trying to pick out new axles for my xj. i am already getting a front Waggy D44 to run but now im split on what to run for the rear between 3 different axles, XJ D44, Waggy D44 (that matches the front), and a Ford 9".
now i already paid $600 for some forged 1 piece aluminum beadlocks and i really dont want to let them go, but they have a 5x5 bolt pattern. now here are some reasons and some problems with these axles:

XJ D44-
i just bought one thinking it was the way i was going.
5x4.5 bolt pattern
pretty much bolt on
would have to change the front from 6x5.5 to 5x5.5

FSJ D44-
would match the front bolt pattern
same with as the front
can get both axles cheaper for what i paid for the XJ d44
would have to get rid of my beadlocks

Ford 9"-
would get cheap from Nascar race teams
35 spline shafts
full floater
disc brakes
would eventually run the True HI9
chance to make it a 4 link rear
can match 5x5 bolt pattern
would have to change front bolt pattern
probably the most expensive

now no matter what axle i choose im going to get a spool and 4.56 gears
anyone have any opinions?
Wha gears are you ging to run? How big a tire? Any lockers? Need more info before I can help.
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Originally Posted by Jeepjunky
now no matter what axle i choose im going to get a spool and 4.56 gears
anyone have any opinions?
does that help?
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Originally Posted by Jeepjunky

does that help?
I vote 9 any an f 250 d44. It's way I'm swapping right now.
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Originally Posted by Jeepjunky
does that help?
Not that much.

He asked what size tires you were going to run. If you are going to run 225/75 r15s anything will work, if you want to run 39.5s you'll have to go big.
Maybe if you want people to help you should lose the attitude.
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If you run the waggy front get a rodeo 44 rear to match. It comes with disc and usually either 4.10s or 4.30 gears so you wouldn't need a new carrier and could run a mini spool and save a few bucks. The only way I see you being able to run those wheels in the front is with your D30 and adapters or a JK axle. The JK D30 is very prone to the C's breaking off and the D44 is actually a real 44 unlike the TJ version but they go for big bucks. The 44 and 9" rear can be run with pretty much any bolt pattern if you use aftermarket shafts.
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
Not that much.

He asked what size tires you were going to run. If you are going to run 225/75 r15s anything will work, if you want to run 39.5s you'll have to go big.
Maybe if you want people to help you should lose the attitude.
srry, i didnt think that was an "attitude", i was in a rush and missed the part about tires, tires are going to be Goodyear Wrangler MT/R originals 32s with a potential of going to 35s
also planning on a 3 link front with 13" travel bilstein shocks, and Deaver coil and leaf springs all the way around
srry if i came off as a dick but i was in the middle of doing something when i wrote that. now anything else?
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Your stock D/30 and the 27 spline C/8.25 will handle the 32s. I'm running 35s on a 27 spline C/8.25 that I installed alloy 29 spline shafts, a Detroit and 4.88 gears in, in the front I stayed with the D/30 did 30 spline alloy shafts and joints, an Eaton E-locker, and 4.88s with inter tube sleeves. Installed Riddler diff covers and so far it works great.

Unless you have lots of cash, I would go with the least expensive and easiest upgrade. The D/44s should work fine, the Ford 9 inch is a tough axle that can be built super strong.
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i know that the stock axles can handle 35s no problem, its just that i want better axles. for the front its going to get a TNT truss, 4.56 gears and be left open for a little while until i get an OX locker. i am kinda leaning towards the 9in for the rear but im still undecided
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Unless you can set up the diffs yourself I would hold up on the gear change until you could get the locker you want that way you don't have to pay twice to set up the diff.
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its not worth doing the swap if only run 35s
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Originally Posted by Rock Toy
Unless you can set up the diffs yourself I would hold up on the gear change until you could get the locker you want that way you don't have to pay twice to set up the diff.
im going to do the setup my self, the first time would be for school, and the 2nd time i would do at home, i have all the things i need
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Originally Posted by Jeepjunky

im going to do the setup my self, the first time would be for school, and the 2nd time i would do at home, i have all the things i need
So your going to run full widths under an xj with how much lift?
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Originally Posted by Back_In_Black
So your going to run full widths under an xj with how much lift?
it wouldnt really be full widths, waggy axles are about an inch shorter than stock and if i do a 9 inch it would only be 60" long which is a half inch shorter, but i would hopefully end up with about 4.5-5 inches of lift


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