To lock or Not to Lock?
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From: Albuquerque, NM
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Okay, I have to get on this, I have wheeled with just the rear locked, just the front, and both. I will tell you from my experience, my xj walked over stuff with the front locked, that my buddy with a rear locker didn't even have a chance on. The way to go is front and rear lockers. But I would definitely lock the front first.
I locked my front first. I have been on many trail rides where I am the only one locked in the front only. Most old school guys lock the rear first it seems?
To be honest my front locked made easier work of the tougher stuff. Straight up ledges and large rocks the rear locker pushes the front into the ledge making it difficult for an open front to climb up. Where as a locked front pulls itself easily up over the rock or ledge.
In fact there is only one circumstance where I have seen a rear locker have an advantage. And that is when you are climbing something steep at an angle. With a locked front and open rear your front end is much more likely to slide off the climb if the rear starts slipping. With the locked rear and open front it will track straight because the front will not slide off, and the locked rear helps keep the front straight.
But overall a locked front is more advantageous in my opinion. And the icing on the cake is in 2wd on the street its invisible.
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From: Albuquerque, NM
Year: 1999
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So at the moment I am uploading a video to youtube of a trip we went on yesterday, the guys is locked front and back, doing a rock climb, so much weight is taken of the front that you can literally see under his front tire as they are just skipping and spinning, he is aired down to 10 on 35s. this is why I say doing the rear first is alot better Idea.
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From: Dayton OH
Year: 1995
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So at the moment I am uploading a video to youtube of a trip we went on yesterday, the guys is locked front and back, doing a rock climb, so much weight is taken of the front that you can literally see under his front tire as they are just skipping and spinning, he is aired down to 10 on 35s. this is why I say doing the rear first is alot better Idea.
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From: Albuquerque, NM
Year: 1999
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Yes I know, I was just saying to those who say enough wieght doesnt come off the front to make it almost useless. When you hit really steep stuff its almost impossible to get grip up front. This guy was also the first person not in a full built rock buggy to get up this obstacle known as axel alley, last guy we saw try is in his xj completely sheared a main leaf, had to swap it out for a not nearly as high leaf to get it home. is was like 4" on the drivers and 9" on the passenger
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From: York, PA
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
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I'm locking my front with a Lokka before I even think about something for the rear. One fine tax refund year I'll probably get a selectable. Don't think I'd run anything else in the rear.
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its uploading in 1080p so Its taking a while ill have a link in a bit, when he got up he hoped and went towards me, got really close but I jumped off and behind a rock, you can tell the recording angle changes at the end,
And if your going lokka why not both, its like 180 for a d30 and 250 for the 8.25, I might get one for the rear and gear to 4.88's. Think thats over kill for 31's ill be on at least 33s by the end of the year
And if your going lokka why not both, its like 180 for a d30 and 250 for the 8.25, I might get one for the rear and gear to 4.88's. Think thats over kill for 31's ill be on at least 33s by the end of the year
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From: York, PA
Year: 1998
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its uploading in 1080p so Its taking a while ill have a link in a bit, when he got up he hoped and went towards me, got really close but I jumped off and behind a rock, you can tell the recording angle changes at the end,
And if your going lokka why not both, its like 180 for a d30 and 250 for the 8.25, I might get one for the rear and gear to 4.88's. Think thats over kill for 31's ill be on at least 33s by the end of the year
And if your going lokka why not both, its like 180 for a d30 and 250 for the 8.25, I might get one for the rear and gear to 4.88's. Think thats over kill for 31's ill be on at least 33s by the end of the year
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From: Justin, TEXAS
Year: 1988
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
To OP:
In the middle of a ford 8.8 swap now. Defiantly stronger than a c8.25 but those are good axles as well. I'm about 450$ in to my swap but will be about 550$ once it's done.
If you just need a stronger axle for hunting and daily driving than get the c8.25 and throw a locker in the front for those hairy situations when a pack of 400lb boars with 6" long cutters comes charging at you and you can't risk getting stuck
In the middle of a ford 8.8 swap now. Defiantly stronger than a c8.25 but those are good axles as well. I'm about 450$ in to my swap but will be about 550$ once it's done.
If you just need a stronger axle for hunting and daily driving than get the c8.25 and throw a locker in the front for those hairy situations when a pack of 400lb boars with 6" long cutters comes charging at you and you can't risk getting stuck

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From: Albuquerque, NM
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Never seen a boar that size around here, but the my streight pipe does a great job at scaring the **** out of mountain lions and bears.
Last edited by PurpleToxin505; Jan 13, 2014 at 09:37 AM.
back on topic to the OP:
If you can weld, go to your local pick 'n pull and pick up an 8.8 on half off days, buy some spring perches, build some shock mounts, buy some new u bolts, and get a conversion ujoint or a new yoke and you can have it all in for around $200.
8.8's come with a whole flavor of gears 3.55 to 4.10 and some of them come with lockers.
If you can weld, go to your local pick 'n pull and pick up an 8.8 on half off days, buy some spring perches, build some shock mounts, buy some new u bolts, and get a conversion ujoint or a new yoke and you can have it all in for around $200.
8.8's come with a whole flavor of gears 3.55 to 4.10 and some of them come with lockers.
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From: Albuquerque, NM
Year: 1999
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This just show how useless a front locker can be, there no weight on the tires which are aired down to 10.
He is the only xj to get up it so far. Ive seen it crack a main leaf in two. And cause a lot of body damage
Last edited by PurpleToxin505; Jan 14, 2014 at 09:13 AM.


