Hydrogen Conversion Kit
07-03-2009, 12:30 AM
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Guys! just think, if they did "get it to work" what would happen to your economy???? so of course they didnt get it to work. What makes their "failure" so suspicious is that even a kid with basic mechanical skill can "get it to work". I have blown up may baloons, and plastic bags etc etc sooooo believe me IT WORKS! question is, can it be used efficiently as a gas additive? now THERE is the myth! and THAT is what they should have tested! I am running one on my jeep, I will post results. Does it make hydrogen...HELL YES! is it explosive....HELL YES! VERY!........does your jeep run better....YES!....does your jeep run cooler....YES!....does it save you fuel?....MMMM DONT KNOW YET... WILL LET YOU ALL KNOW! p.s see my other posts on this subject, I can send you all plans on how to make one, and test it yourselves! Im bust making a welder from it too, it works great, but then it blows my generator to bits.....I need to work on my flash back arrestor (parts are hard to come by here in south africa)
I hope you dont have neighbors.
The extra load it uses on your alternator isn't gonna help your gas millage.
I love the one that uses lye, that stuff is great on aluminum heads
I don't like the idea of everyday people and hydrogen together.
Scientist have spent hundreds of year developing uses for it and homer simpson comes around and solves our energy crisis.
Screw it they gave al gore the nobel peace prize.
I am intrested in the idea of hydro cars, just not second rate conversion kits. I'll wait till they produce a hydro car that is soley dependend on renewable energy ( it better not be a prius, I'm not intrested).
07-06-2009, 12:44 AM
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After playing with this for awhile, I have my own theory about this....I dont think that the HHO itself allows you to save petrol......I think what it does is it allows you to run you jeep much leaner than normal, without doing the normal damage?
Anyway, so far things look promising...my jeep hasnt blown up....yet, and it hasnt gotten worse...yet, I will post any gains/losses soon.
08-31-2009, 05:24 AM
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Ok, here are my results on my HHO generstor.
If you havent read my other posts on this subject, Im running 1 on my 95 cherokee xj at the moment, it pushes out approx 2 lt hydrogen per minute, with a 20A draw, I am using caustic soda as a electrolyte, and the gas pumps back into the electrolyte from the generator, so the hydrogen (and hydrogen alone) is then fed into the my jeeps intake. (SO NO "LYE" IS ACTUALLY GOING INTO THE INTAKE....DUH) At 1st I had an increase in consumtion, from 6.2 km/lt to 5.8 km/lt. I knew it was the ECU but the reason why it was doing it eluded me for awhile as I dont have a catalytic converter, and no O2 sensors. I then did the MAP enhancer mod, short lived change but then ECU reset back to normal, then I did the CTS mod, jeep ran cooler but no consumtion gains, but then I did the IAT mod, not the relocation mod, but rather the resistor mod, and voila! my Jeep immediately ran differently, more power, smoother and FINALLY!....consuption gains! here are the stats.
Standard : 6.2 km/lt
HHO alone : 5.8 km/lt
HHO plus Mods : 10.6 km/lt
My theory is that the HHO cools down the jeep (cold flame), and as I dont have co2 sensors, the combination between the 3 sensors, MAP, CTS and IAT were telling the ECU that she was still cold, so I was running as if I had the automatic choke on all the time, and hence no gains. By doing only 1 mod, I think the other two sensors were overiding the mod, so you have to do all 3 so they are in agreement, and then the jeep will lean out.
My jeep now runs very cool (in between 40 and 1st stripe before 100, so I guess its about 60 deg?) it runs better on the open road now, much smoother, cooler and of course, much cheaper too!)
I dont care what others say, on my jeep, this HHO thing works!!!
If you havent read my other posts on this subject, Im running 1 on my 95 cherokee xj at the moment, it pushes out approx 2 lt hydrogen per minute, with a 20A draw, I am using caustic soda as a electrolyte, and the gas pumps back into the electrolyte from the generator, so the hydrogen (and hydrogen alone) is then fed into the my jeeps intake. (SO NO "LYE" IS ACTUALLY GOING INTO THE INTAKE....DUH) At 1st I had an increase in consumtion, from 6.2 km/lt to 5.8 km/lt. I knew it was the ECU but the reason why it was doing it eluded me for awhile as I dont have a catalytic converter, and no O2 sensors. I then did the MAP enhancer mod, short lived change but then ECU reset back to normal, then I did the CTS mod, jeep ran cooler but no consumtion gains, but then I did the IAT mod, not the relocation mod, but rather the resistor mod, and voila! my Jeep immediately ran differently, more power, smoother and FINALLY!....consuption gains! here are the stats.
Standard : 6.2 km/lt
HHO alone : 5.8 km/lt
HHO plus Mods : 10.6 km/lt
My theory is that the HHO cools down the jeep (cold flame), and as I dont have co2 sensors, the combination between the 3 sensors, MAP, CTS and IAT were telling the ECU that she was still cold, so I was running as if I had the automatic choke on all the time, and hence no gains. By doing only 1 mod, I think the other two sensors were overiding the mod, so you have to do all 3 so they are in agreement, and then the jeep will lean out.
My jeep now runs very cool (in between 40 and 1st stripe before 100, so I guess its about 60 deg?) it runs better on the open road now, much smoother, cooler and of course, much cheaper too!)
I dont care what others say, on my jeep, this HHO thing works!!!
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10-07-2014, 08:07 PM
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Ok, here are my results on my HHO generstor.
If you havent read my other posts on this subject, Im running 1 on my 95 cherokee xj at the moment, it pushes out approx 2 lt hydrogen per minute, with a 20A draw, I am using caustic soda as a electrolyte, and the gas pumps back into the electrolyte from the generator, so the hydrogen (and hydrogen alone) is then fed into the my jeeps intake. (SO NO "LYE" IS ACTUALLY GOING INTO THE INTAKE....DUH) At 1st I had an increase in consumtion, from 6.2 km/lt to 5.8 km/lt. I knew it was the ECU but the reason why it was doing it eluded me for awhile as I dont have a catalytic converter, and no O2 sensors. I then did the MAP enhancer mod, short lived change but then ECU reset back to normal, then I did the CTS mod, jeep ran cooler but no consumtion gains, but then I did the IAT mod, not the relocation mod, but rather the resistor mod, and voila! my Jeep immediately ran differently, more power, smoother and FINALLY!....consuption gains! here are the stats.
Standard : 6.2 km/lt
HHO alone : 5.8 km/lt
HHO plus Mods : 10.6 km/lt
My theory is that the HHO cools down the jeep (cold flame), and as I dont have co2 sensors, the combination between the 3 sensors, MAP, CTS and IAT were telling the ECU that she was still cold, so I was running as if I had the automatic choke on all the time, and hence no gains. By doing only 1 mod, I think the other two sensors were overiding the mod, so you have to do all 3 so they are in agreement, and then the jeep will lean out.
My jeep now runs very cool (in between 40 and 1st stripe before 100, so I guess its about 60 deg?) it runs better on the open road now, much smoother, cooler and of course, much cheaper too!)
I dont care what others say, on my jeep, this HHO thing works!!!
If you havent read my other posts on this subject, Im running 1 on my 95 cherokee xj at the moment, it pushes out approx 2 lt hydrogen per minute, with a 20A draw, I am using caustic soda as a electrolyte, and the gas pumps back into the electrolyte from the generator, so the hydrogen (and hydrogen alone) is then fed into the my jeeps intake. (SO NO "LYE" IS ACTUALLY GOING INTO THE INTAKE....DUH) At 1st I had an increase in consumtion, from 6.2 km/lt to 5.8 km/lt. I knew it was the ECU but the reason why it was doing it eluded me for awhile as I dont have a catalytic converter, and no O2 sensors. I then did the MAP enhancer mod, short lived change but then ECU reset back to normal, then I did the CTS mod, jeep ran cooler but no consumtion gains, but then I did the IAT mod, not the relocation mod, but rather the resistor mod, and voila! my Jeep immediately ran differently, more power, smoother and FINALLY!....consuption gains! here are the stats.
Standard : 6.2 km/lt
HHO alone : 5.8 km/lt
HHO plus Mods : 10.6 km/lt
My theory is that the HHO cools down the jeep (cold flame), and as I dont have co2 sensors, the combination between the 3 sensors, MAP, CTS and IAT were telling the ECU that she was still cold, so I was running as if I had the automatic choke on all the time, and hence no gains. By doing only 1 mod, I think the other two sensors were overiding the mod, so you have to do all 3 so they are in agreement, and then the jeep will lean out.
My jeep now runs very cool (in between 40 and 1st stripe before 100, so I guess its about 60 deg?) it runs better on the open road now, much smoother, cooler and of course, much cheaper too!)
I dont care what others say, on my jeep, this HHO thing works!!!
10-07-2014, 08:32 PM
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I hope you dont have neighbors.
The extra load it uses on your alternator isn't gonna help your gas millage.
I love the one that uses lye, that stuff is great on aluminum heads
I don't like the idea of everyday people and hydrogen together.
Scientist have spent hundreds of year developing uses for it and homer simpson comes around and solves our energy crisis.
Screw it they gave al gore the nobel peace prize.
I am intrested in the idea of hydro cars, just not second rate conversion kits. I'll wait till they produce a hydro car that is soley dependend on renewable energy ( it better not be a prius, I'm not intrested).
I hope you dont have neighbors.
The extra load it uses on your alternator isn't gonna help your gas millage.
I love the one that uses lye, that stuff is great on aluminum heads
I don't like the idea of everyday people and hydrogen together.
Scientist have spent hundreds of year developing uses for it and homer simpson comes around and solves our energy crisis.
Screw it they gave al gore the nobel peace prize.
I am intrested in the idea of hydro cars, just not second rate conversion kits. I'll wait till they produce a hydro car that is soley dependend on renewable energy ( it better not be a prius, I'm not intrested).
Enjoy the fossil fuels. You will never see anything else in your lifetime or your grandkids lifetime.
11-15-2014, 06:56 PM
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Yes, and they aren't much good. There are a host of problems with them, not the least of which is that hydrogen is not an energy source. It's merely an energy storage medium, like a battery.
To get hydrogen, you have to make it. To make it requires energy. Making that energy costs more than the energy you get out of it.
Then you have the problems of metal embrittlement, and nobody has found a practical way around that yet.
Other than the fact that it's terribly expensive, and the systems have short lives, it's great!
IF we ever find an deficient way to produce cheap energy, and IF someone solves the embrittlement problem, we'll probably be running a lot of things on hydrogen.
Not until then.
And by the way, folks, there is no such thing as HHO, and there is no such thing as Brown's Gas.
These terms are used by two kinds of people: Those who are ignorant, and those who are scammers.
It's just hydrogen, mixed with oxygen. No "HHO". No "Browns Gas". There's nothing special or mysterious about it. 7th grade science. You should have paid attention. If you had, you wouldn't be suckered by this nonsense.
11-15-2014, 07:13 PM
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The only way this would make sense is if you had a whole bunch of solar collectors or a windmill generator to produce the electricity needed to separate the H from the O...and also if you just had to use an internal combustion engine for whatever reason.
As of yet, nobody has been able to show over-unity in electrolysis...which means you cannot get more out than you put in. It is a closed system and there is always a loss in energy during conversion from one state to another.
As of yet, nobody has been able to show over-unity in electrolysis...which means you cannot get more out than you put in. It is a closed system and there is always a loss in energy during conversion from one state to another.
11-19-2014, 01:33 PM
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I'm posting in a SIX year old thread! YAY! 
Anywho. It takes MORE energy to make the stupid Hydrogen gas than is created to offset the drag of the alternator to produce the energy needed to create the Hydrogen to offset the drag on the alternator etc etc.
"Wait! I will add another alternator and battery system to help!"
Wellp. You are dragging around another 30+ pounds of weight plus the weight of the water/lye+plumbing.
All this to create more drag on the alternator to make Hydrogen to offset the drag on the alternator to create more Hydrogen......
Just install an electric motor in the driveline to "assist" the vehicle. Run it off the battery.. Wait.. Drag on the alternator to create the power for the electric motor in the driveline to drive the alternator to power the electric motor in the driveline...
FREE ENERGY! If only for that pesky friction and energy given off as heat due to resistance.
Plus the weight of adding all the extra crap on the vehicle.
Best bet: Make the Hydrogen at home on grid energy. Pay the few bux on the large infrastructure THEN cart the bottles to the vehicle. That MAY offset some fuel, but it will probably be lost when you pay the extra $ to the power company PLUS the weight of the bottles and assorted plumbing.
Anywho. It takes MORE energy to make the stupid Hydrogen gas than is created to offset the drag of the alternator to produce the energy needed to create the Hydrogen to offset the drag on the alternator etc etc.
"Wait! I will add another alternator and battery system to help!"
Wellp. You are dragging around another 30+ pounds of weight plus the weight of the water/lye+plumbing.
All this to create more drag on the alternator to make Hydrogen to offset the drag on the alternator to create more Hydrogen......
Just install an electric motor in the driveline to "assist" the vehicle. Run it off the battery.. Wait.. Drag on the alternator to create the power for the electric motor in the driveline to drive the alternator to power the electric motor in the driveline...
FREE ENERGY! If only for that pesky friction and energy given off as heat due to resistance.
Plus the weight of adding all the extra crap on the vehicle.Best bet: Make the Hydrogen at home on grid energy. Pay the few bux on the large infrastructure THEN cart the bottles to the vehicle. That MAY offset some fuel, but it will probably be lost when you pay the extra $ to the power company PLUS the weight of the bottles and assorted plumbing.
11-19-2014, 05:54 PM
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I'm posting in a SIX year old thread! YAY!
Anywho. It takes MORE energy to make the stupid Hydrogen gas than is created to offset the drag of the alternator to produce the energy needed to create the Hydrogen to offset the drag on the alternator etc etc.
"Wait! I will add another alternator and battery system to help!"
Wellp. You are dragging around another 30+ pounds of weight plus the weight of the water/lye+plumbing.
All this to create more drag on the alternator to make Hydrogen to offset the drag on the alternator to create more Hydrogen......
Just install an electric motor in the driveline to "assist" the vehicle. Run it off the battery.. Wait.. Drag on the alternator to create the power for the electric motor in the driveline to drive the alternator to power the electric motor in the driveline...
FREE ENERGY! If only for that pesky friction and energy given off as heat due to resistance. Plus the weight of adding all the extra crap on the vehicle.
Best bet: Make the Hydrogen at home on grid energy. Pay the few bux on the large infrastructure THEN cart the bottles to the vehicle. That MAY offset some fuel, but it will probably be lost when you pay the extra $ to the power company PLUS the weight of the bottles and assorted plumbing.
Anywho. It takes MORE energy to make the stupid Hydrogen gas than is created to offset the drag of the alternator to produce the energy needed to create the Hydrogen to offset the drag on the alternator etc etc.
"Wait! I will add another alternator and battery system to help!"
Wellp. You are dragging around another 30+ pounds of weight plus the weight of the water/lye+plumbing.
All this to create more drag on the alternator to make Hydrogen to offset the drag on the alternator to create more Hydrogen......
Just install an electric motor in the driveline to "assist" the vehicle. Run it off the battery.. Wait.. Drag on the alternator to create the power for the electric motor in the driveline to drive the alternator to power the electric motor in the driveline...
FREE ENERGY! If only for that pesky friction and energy given off as heat due to resistance.
Plus the weight of adding all the extra crap on the vehicle.Best bet: Make the Hydrogen at home on grid energy. Pay the few bux on the large infrastructure THEN cart the bottles to the vehicle. That MAY offset some fuel, but it will probably be lost when you pay the extra $ to the power company PLUS the weight of the bottles and assorted plumbing.
The mention of hydrogen embrittlement though isn't as big of a problem as most think it would be. We have high pressure hydrogen cylinders here at work that hold 2500psi and they get used for over a year at least with no problems, probably longer.
Engines have been built that run on hydrogen coming from compressed gas cylinders and they do run very efficient and clean. It just takes a lot of energy to produce the hydrogen. The only way we can make hydrogen in large quantities without wasting useful energy would be to capture it from nuclear reactors where it is produced as a waste byproduct. If we built more nuclear plants, we would end up with cheaper electricity, cleaner air and more hydrogen to use for other purposes. But until the greeniees get over their fear of nuclear power, we won't see that anytime soon.
11-19-2014, 06:56 PM
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This is pretty much how it goes, no net gain if you are producing the hydrogen in the vehicle.
The mention of hydrogen embrittlement though isn't as big of a problem as most think it would be. We have high pressure hydrogen cylinders here at work that hold 2500psi and they get used for over a year at least with no problems, probably longer.
Engines have been built that run on hydrogen coming from compressed gas cylinders and they do run very efficient and clean. It just takes a lot of energy to produce the hydrogen. The only way we can make hydrogen in large quantities without wasting useful energy would be to capture it from nuclear reactors where it is produced as a waste byproduct. If we built more nuclear plants, we would end up with cheaper electricity, cleaner air and more hydrogen to use for other purposes. But until the greeniees get over their fear of nuclear power, we won't see that anytime soon.
The mention of hydrogen embrittlement though isn't as big of a problem as most think it would be. We have high pressure hydrogen cylinders here at work that hold 2500psi and they get used for over a year at least with no problems, probably longer.
Engines have been built that run on hydrogen coming from compressed gas cylinders and they do run very efficient and clean. It just takes a lot of energy to produce the hydrogen. The only way we can make hydrogen in large quantities without wasting useful energy would be to capture it from nuclear reactors where it is produced as a waste byproduct. If we built more nuclear plants, we would end up with cheaper electricity, cleaner air and more hydrogen to use for other purposes. But until the greeniees get over their fear of nuclear power, we won't see that anytime soon.
Ra, (the sun), delivers us all the energy we would ever need and nuclear energy is not the solution long term.
It probably wouldn't be all that difficult to convert a Cherokee to electric with some creativity. Electric motors deliver a crapload of torque too, which would be useful. The problem would be getting electricity out in the boonies....
11-19-2014, 08:39 PM
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Thorium breeder reactors and a quality > profit attitude. Ra, (the sun), delivers us all the energy we would ever need and nuclear energy is not the solution long term. It probably wouldn't be all that difficult to convert a Cherokee to electric with some creativity. Electric motors deliver a crapload of torque too, which would be useful. The problem would be getting electricity out in the boonies....
11-19-2014, 08:51 PM
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Yes, there is plenty of energy there. But until we find an effective way to harness it, we have to look elsewhere.
Solar energy in it's current state of development is NOT going to do the job. It will take a major breakthrough to get us anywehre near to replacing our current power structure with solar power.
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I looked into that once to see about converting my old Ranger I used to have. Best way is to find a motor from an electric fork lift, then build a battery pack with deep cycle batteries and get a power handler. Back then it would have taken a bunch of heavy lead acid batteries which would add so much weight you lost a bunch of range, but if you could get a new lithium ion pack like in the new hybrids that might be worth it.