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Old May 30, 2013 | 02:22 AM
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You can't swap for a bigger engine? Why
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Old May 30, 2013 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by GreenClassic

It is a law, a federal law enacted under the United States Environmental Protection Agency. If your vehicle left the factory with emissions equipment, it is illegal to tamper with or remove it. In some states it's easier to get away with it because of the lack of inspections/smog checks, no getting around it in California. They can give you a fine and/or revoke your vehicle's registration until you fix it. Just because there's no jail-time or misdemeanor/felony doesn't mean there's no law against it.

I did a search on motor swaps, and so far as I found there are three main rules, which are mostly emissions related. First is you cannot swap an older motor into a newer vehicle (putting a 1990 into a 2000). You can swap say a '97 into a '99 as long as they share the same platform. The reasoning for this is to not have outdated emissions equipment in a newer vehicle. Second I found is that you cannot swap something bigger than what it came with from the factory, such as putting an 8-cylinder in something that only came with 4 or 6. Although, it doesn't really state anything about displacement. The third is that it must pass safety and smog requirements. Not sure if they're laws, but the forum posts that popped up from my online search seem to point that way.
If you own your car, you can do whatever you want to it. It is yours. Period. You may not be able to register it, depending on where you are, but it's yours. The EPA does not have a cat task force running around looking under your car to ticket you.

If it was against the law, then, for example, you couldn't get a red or a green sticker in California for offroad use. Because illegal is illegal.
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Old May 30, 2013 | 10:35 AM
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it's nice to live in alberta...basically we just have to worry about noise...



61(1) A motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine must have an exhaust muffler that is cooling and expelling the exhaust gases from the engine without excessive noise and without producing flames or sparks.

(2) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if the exhaust outlet of the muffler has been widened.

(3) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if a device is attached to the exhaust system or the muffler that increases the noise made by the expulsion of gases from the engine or allows a flame to be ignited from the exhaust system.

(4) This section applies to a power bicycle that is propelled by an internal combustion engine.


on the other hand, I'm quite sure emissions testing is on its way...
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Old May 30, 2013 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by hankthetank
it's nice to live in alberta...basically we just have to worry about noise...

61(1) A motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine must have an exhaust muffler that is cooling and expelling the exhaust gases from the engine without excessive noise and without producing flames or sparks.

(2) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if the exhaust outlet of the muffler has been widened.

(3) A person shall not drive or operate a motor vehicle propelled by an internal combustion engine if a device is attached to the exhaust system or the muffler that increases the noise made by the expulsion of gases from the engine or allows a flame to be ignited from the exhaust system.

(4) This section applies to a power bicycle that is propelled by an internal combustion engine.

on the other hand, I'm quite sure emissions testing is on its way...
Emissions will be everywhere soon! Nothing wrong with running clean, but they need to figure out a way to be less restrictive and less expensive! California is on crack with their emissions, if a cat goes out in one of these new vehicles with the 8ooo cats, it will break a bank account replacing exhaust. Ridiculous. And at the same time, CA lets any car come in from Mexico, polluting the air, and it's ok. Only CA residence gotta deal with it.
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Old May 30, 2013 | 11:14 AM
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So does that mean if i swap a sb350 into my xj since its illegal to do here you'll lock the thread?

And its a $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ thing is all they want. They don't care about the environment... They destroyed something natural at the Rubicon to make it less appealing to us, they killed perfectly healthy trees in Colorado to use them to make trails impassable, They're hypocrites going after your money....
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Old May 30, 2013 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by SoCalxJ4.0
If you own your car, you can do whatever you want to it. It is yours. Period. You may not be able to register it, depending on where you are, but it's yours. The EPA does not have a cat task force running around looking under your car to ticket you.

If it was against the law, then, for example, you couldn't get a red or a green sticker in California for offroad use. Because illegal is illegal.
first off, it is the DOT that regulates these laws not the EPA. and second The key word there is Offroad. And yes a cop can write you a ticket for improper equipment if he decides to use a mirror under the vehicle and finds there is no cat or even O2 snsors. It is against the law to remove factory installed emissions devices from on road vehicles plain and simple. And if you think you can do whatever you want to a vehicle and then drive it on the road, think again. try lifting a truck to high or lowering a car to much. both situations can get your car impounded. just because you own it does not mean you dont have to abide by the laws set in place by the state or country who owns the roads you're driving on. it's completely different for off raod vehicles.
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Old May 30, 2013 | 11:44 AM
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So would it be legal to remove emission systems and replace them with newer model emissions systems? Just wondering, don't really care too much so feel free to tell me to FO.
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Old May 30, 2013 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by McCaffrey
So would it be legal to remove emission systems and replace them with newer model emissions systems? Just wondering, don't really care too much so feel free to tell me to FO.
as long as your vehicle has all emisions and safety equipment it originally came with and they are in working order your car is legal. i'm not sure what you mean by newer systems though. a cat is a cat, evap systems are evap systems. the style of the system doesn't matter. and really as long as it passes an emissions and safety test it technically would be legal, but keep in mind a propper test is also supposed to have an inspection of all factory systems.
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Old May 30, 2013 | 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by BKohs

first off, it is the DOT that regulates these laws not the EPA. and second The key word there is Offroad. And yes a cop can write you a ticket for improper equipment if he decides to use a mirror under the vehicle and finds there is no cat or even O2 snsors. It is against the law to remove factory installed emissions devices from on road vehicles plain and simple. And if you think you can do whatever you want to a vehicle and then drive it on the road, think again. try lifting a truck to high or lowering a car to much. both situations can get your car impounded. just because you own it does not mean you dont have to abide by the laws set in place by the state or country who owns the roads you're driving on. it's completely different for off raod vehicles.
Well NS, but either way it comes down to passing an emissions test, you don't pass the test, you can't register, you cant register, you can't drive it on the street. If you do, and get pulled over, it's because of expired tags. No use arguing on it, just more likely to get hit by lightning then getting any kind of ish for no cat. I've had tickets for non-ca carb headers, for being too low, fix it tickets. No cat, no passy emissions.
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Old Jun 3, 2013 | 05:58 PM
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Im glad I have never lived somewhere that cared. I did get pulled over in Louisiana for having tires that stuck out past my fenders but I've never even heard of anyone getting in trouble for swapping out an engine (and most of the time it is a older one) or other emissions components.
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Old Jun 3, 2013 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ianf406
Im glad I have never lived somewhere that cared. I did get pulled over in Louisiana for having tires that stuck out past my fenders but I've never even heard of anyone getting in trouble for swapping out an engine (and most of the time it is a older one) or other emissions components.
Dang man, where at?? I haven't gotten any trouble here yet for having tires sticking out. And I live in the city. Must be a small town police just looking to pull people over.
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Old Jun 3, 2013 | 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Ianf406
Im glad I have never lived somewhere that cared. I did get pulled over in Louisiana for having tires that stuck out past my fenders but I've never even heard of anyone getting in trouble for swapping out an engine (and most of the time it is a older one) or other emissions components.
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I live about 30 mins from Louisiana line. A cop told me not to drive my jeep back across the line lol. He didn't write me a ticket but I think he wanted to.
He listed about 15 things that made it illegal in LA. I should start buying jeeps from down there that people cant get legal lol.

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Old Jun 3, 2013 | 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Puddin'
Dang man, where at?? I haven't gotten any trouble here yet for having tires sticking out. And I live in the city. Must be a small town police just looking to pull people over.
Leesville (fort Polk). I think the cops down by the base just pull people over with out-of-state tags for anything to get some cash for themselves haha. Loved pulling over soldiers for some ridiculous stuff.
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Old Jun 4, 2013 | 12:54 AM
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its simple the forum does not want it discussed its the forums rule. if thats the worst rule they have then oh well.
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Old Jun 4, 2013 | 01:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Slim357
Better question is why are so many people aloud to talk about remove that stuff and nothing is ever done about it.
Do you ever report said posts? We do not read evey post on the forum.
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