andrewmp6

Range on ev has always been a problem,And what most never say is the winter time you get half the mileage pre charge then the summer time.

Tbone289

"Ever" is a loooong time... theoretically, anyway.

mschi772

It's already quite practical in a LOT of ways and places. It really won't be super long before it is practical for most people in most places. A lot of people will still have their heads stuck in the sand about it, though. There are plenty of uses and reasons for ICE vehicles to be around for a long time yet, so I'm not saying that EV's are coming to take your gassers away. I'm just saying that the "our country is too big" argument is weak.

Bugout4x4

Yes it is, and if everything was electric it would be even bigger with even more places that can't be reached. So realistically it is a pipe dream and the concept is culturally impractical for any "free" country the size of ours. The human nature factor eliminates the possibility in it's self.

Imagine a Christmas and new years holiday with electric vehicles and our current culture. You wouldn't be able to have enough charging stations or juice to handle it all. And by the time you traveled 2000 miles one way to visit family you would have 1/2 day out of a two week vacation to visit and have to turn around and head back home because of the time it takes to wait in line to recharge both ways.

So for it to ever come close to being successful there would have to be some serious culture changes first, and we might as well just eliminate major holidays because they are not going to happen. So can human nature change for it to ever work? As a historian I would say never... Not in a free society, not in a country this size, it would have to be mandated and forced on everyone first.

And I haven't even touched the reality of transporting enough food daily to feed everyone without it rotting. We are currently only staying ahead of the national food demand by three days. So if we were to first kill off 9/10ths of the population then maybe, and even that is a slim maybe. The concept is not quite an easy concept in whole and the answers to make it successful would need to be pretty drastic.

So until someone figures out how to change human nature it ain't going to ever happen. We would have to reset to the stone age first and rebuild up from there again after wiping the slate clean.

Bugout4x4

No... It's too big, and it will never happen with our current population and culture, we can't feasibly produce enough juice to ever satisfy 1/10th of the demand without drastically reducing the population. And once the gassers become a minority they will be mandated out along with our "free to travel" society. History has proven this time and time again based on human nature. There are a whole lot of subfolders with this concept you haven't opened yet. Dig deeper and you might see the realities of impracticality for a "free people".

Tbone289

...or some serious technology changes. I agree we're nowhere close right now from either aspect, but I wouldn't say "never".

Bugout4x4

Thought about this for years... and it will never happen as a "Free society". No matter what technology, they will always need a refill dependent from a huge grid infrastructure or a taboo fuel source. To limit human nature on this scale is going to be impossible without oppression and rationing.

Relate it to Newton's third law...

Bugout4x4

Here we go... The oppression and cultural control is starting...

"A ban on the sale of gasoline-powered vehicles in California could come as soon as 2040 under a new proposal from a San Francisco lawmaker with strong backing from a Santa Rosa environmental group, though their hope is the landmark measure would take effect far sooner.

The Center for Climate Protection, citing both public health and climate change goals, is holding a rally Thursday night to support legislation that would limit new vehicle registration after Jan. 1, 2040 to zero-emission vehicles.

Only vehicles running entirely on batteries or fuel cells — not including any type of hybrids that also consume gasoline — would meet the standard spelled out in the seven sentences of a bill by Assemblyman Phil Ting, D-San Francisco."

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/81...al-group-backs

mschi772

Too many car enthusiasts in CA for such a ban to ever make it unless by "new car vehicle registration" they mean new vehicles, and not new registrations. I see all existing gassers being essentially grandfathered, but I can totally see CA rejecting any new gassers. Air pollution has been a big deal for them, and they're farther along than anyone else on electric infrastructure.

"oppression and cultural control" is a bit hyperbolic, but you do give the impression of one of those anti-federal western state people, so it's not much of a surprise.

Bugout4x4

Ca has already been allowed to pass "ex post facto" laws that are being enforced retroactively. This is absolutely unconstitutional, by even their own state constitution. So now they will continue this unconstitutional practice if not challenged on a federal level.

Absolutely... But first and foremost I am an Anti-California type of person. What happens in Ca does not stay in Ca. It is forced on everyone else who do not live in Ca. What right do they have to mandate for everyone else? Who is going to also pay higher rates for electricity so that Ca can mandate this?

I say if they want to mandate this then they need to figure out how to produce all their own electricity to sustain it. To financially burden on other states so that they can impose this locally is unconstitutional. Time for them to be self responsible for their own actions and decisions.

But they won't... They will indirectly burden everyone else as they have done many times before.