ethanol gas?
 

Here like all of Oregon we are 10% ethanol. Well my jeep is a 87 and the system wasn't exactly designed to run that crap..

So my question would you be willing to pay a extra 10cents a gallon to get ethanol free gas? Here at the reservation I can get it all day long AND I get to pump it myself LOL. Been thinking about driving out there every time to fill up but just don't know if it would benefit me at all?

From what I understand, our motors must burn more of the eth-fuel
to make the same power as they would with regular gas. So its a waste.
Yeah I would pay 10c more, because in the end I would be getting better mileage.

Usually ethanol gas causes a 10% - 15% decrease in mpg. If ethanol free gas is only 10 cents more I would pay the extra $2.00 per tank. 10 cents extra is a hell of a deal, I used to spend an extra 25 cents for ethanol free and it was worth the extra $5 per tank.

Unfortunately I've yet to find ethanol free gas now that I live in Cali.

weird because when im out in iowa i only run it on 89octane with 10% ethanol and i get about 5mpg more then when i drive it in IL and use the regular 87octane without ethanol and the 89 is normally about 40-50 cents cheaper some times more like around holidays. i filled up in january for 2.89 a gallon then a week later it went back up to 3.50.

Non-ethanol fuel is way better for the whole ignition system, it requires less voltage to ignite and your engine will run smoother. I would pay the extra.

10% is nothing even older stuff with a carb runs fine on it.As far as mileage lost you won't really notice it.I can't believe no one has said ethanol will clean your fuel system its alcohol so is most fuel system cleaners you buy in a bottle.

I get 4MPG more on E0 and it runs better. To see a basic effect of ethanol on old engines, get an old 2 stroke chainsaw. Mix some E10 gas for it, and some E0. Mine won't even run on the E10, runs like brand new on E0.

What Logic? get the hell out of here.... :shifty:

I've mentioned it before and nobody really cares to listen. Theres so much hate on ethanol fuel these days I dont even bother talking about it anymore because I'll just get flamed.

Yea but how often do you need to clean your injectors? I get 2-3 mpg different between e10 and e0. If i could find it around here now I would pay 10c more. ethanol mixed gas is garbage and a product of american politics

And the clean air libs would like to bump it up to 20% ethanol.

yup but the funny thing is that it takes more energy to produce ethanol than you get out of it, aka more pollution that gasoline. That and it gives you less gas mileage but the gov still wants automakers to hit the 55 mpg mark by 2025. The only benefit to ethanol, outside of race cars, is that you can grow it. Typical american politics.

It's hard on old rubber lines that weren't designed for it...

Hell I would pay and extra .20 per gallon to not have to use that semi volatile swill being marketed as fuel. As others have said, the ethanol reduces mpg and has an impact on the fuel system.

I've noticed that once i switched from 10% Ethanol to ethanol free, I don't have the heat soak issues I had before the switch. I also had some service done(radiator flush, and eprom flashed at the dealership) so I'm not sure if that's the only reason, but I don't plan on switching back to ethanol any time soon.

The reason ethanol will drop your mileage is most cars and trucks on the road today are low compression,For ethanol to really burn fully you need higher compression a lot of drag racers i know switched from pricey race fuels to e85 and it runs just fine.

Look guys, please cut the BS about ethanol. Don't repeat what you've heard or what your cousin said was a fact its mostly crap and people won't know what the hell is actually going on with ethanol and make an informed decision.

Ethanol does produce less energy then gasoline, but its inherently very high octane. There isn't a "flex fuel" vehicle made that takes advantage of the fact that E85 is over 100 octane. Its set up for a compression for normal pump gas that is why there is such a drop in MPG's. Modern vehicles have been made to handle ethanol in the lines and pumps for some time now so there are no worries there. If you have a 64 1/2 mustang i would bet that the ethanol would mess up the fuel system but not cause its ethanol. Its cause ethanol is water soluble and the moisture would mess it up.

Modern vehicles can handle it no problemo, you would just have to up the compression and put a larger injector in it, then run specifically pump gas. You would have a slightly decreased MPG but the cost of E85 would differ that completely. In the vehicles now with the specific gravity sensor in the tank that reads the amount of alchohol and adjusts the fuel the compression isn't for high octane, so you just get the drawback of less BTU's

Ethanol does not burn hotter!

What amazes me most is depending on where you live the consensus about E85 varies so greatly. In Oklahoma/Texas (oil country) gas made from food is stoo-pid. Go to Kansas, Nebraska (corn country) and they have gas stations that advertise ethanol as a selling point, on chain that will remain nameless sells 89 for cheaper then 87 cause its just the 87 with 10 percent ethanol and it ups the octane. And let me tell you brother, my jeep loves it. I run two tanks of it and then a tank of techron through it. Thats my rotation and man its clean as a whistle at 200,000 miles. Just had it apart the other day looking at the valves. AWESOME!

Here, educate yourself.

http://www.fuel-testers.com/gasoline...hanol_E10.html

A am currently experimenting with various blends of E85 and E10 which is the standard in Cali.

I read all the threads on this site and on many others regarding E85 or blending, First thing I noticed was a TON of disinformation. I tried to do as much research as possible on the subject before I started tinkering with it.

I'm currently running 14/4 ratio of E10/E85 which results in 26% ethanol, My XJ is a 96 and virtually stock engine wise with the exception of upgraded spark plugs and wires and bosch 710 injectors.

My results are not typical of what I have read, I have not experienced a dramatic loss of power on this blend, if anything its ever so slightly more sluggish than usual until I hit 3000rpm (31's on stock gears). As far as the mileage, it has consistently been within 5-10% of normal.

Also my XJ is running around 5* cooler and is idling smoother than ever.

Through my research travels via Google I came across a study done in Brazil when they were trying to go oil independent, the ran extensive testing on existing vehicles using E20 an E30 with very few problems. Basically I'm running E26!

I asked a mechanic buddy about ethanol eating my seals and its corrosive properties. He explained to me that the auto industry knew the ethanol thing was coming 30 years ago, they stopped using natural rubber amongst other things and that the corrosive effects from ethanol happen when its contaminated by water. Basically if its devoid of water its not a problem.

He also explained to me that my OBD2 ecu can compensate so much when its running lean, around 20%, so he suggested not running more than 25-30% ethanol without a piggyback.

I have no rhyme or reason to do this other than just to see what happens or what is possible, I can get E85 for .70-.80$ cheaper a gallon, so my E26 blend is slightly cheaper to run. Also I'd rather put my money in farmers pockets than OPEC any day!

You mean those wall street farmers? The American farmer is going extinct, not in small part due to the asinine amount of corn we grow in this country.

Fair enough, American pockets then.

The politics aren't a concern of mine, everything is corrupt and there doesn't seem to be much I can do about that. I'm personally interested in doing whatever I can to be as OPEC independent as possible. Everyone know corn ethanol isn't the long term answer and there are better ways to may bio fuels but that's what's available to me right now.

I'm also looking into possible shoe horning a 5cyl Mercedes deisel into my xj, the major hurdle is getting it California legal, there are all kinds of bio deisel co-ops sprouting up in my area this would be a viable option, my neighbor is making bio deisel for under a buck a gallon!

Dude I'm with you, I just don't want people thinking they are somehow fixing the worlds energy problem by buying into the corn industry's bs. Don't really need to be concerned with the politics, but everyone should vote.

Diesel swap is like my dream, bro. Let me know if you ever actually pull the trigger on the swap, I am very very interested in seeing how you do it.

Not sure how you would get away with that in Cali. This state is retarded.
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There is a lot of misinformation with regards to the ethanol industry and corn. People think because were currently makin fuel out of corn we are taking food out of peoples mouths.

This isn't necessarily true, the price of corn has gone up as one would expect when the demand rises. No surprise there thats basic economics!

There are also a lot of by products associated with ethanol, feed grains, gluten and proteins.

The ethanol industry has created 40,000 jobs, how can that be a bad thing?

I think we might be getting a little too close to politics for this forum pm me if you wanna keep talking about it.

I can't let that 'jobs' thing go unanswered though... I mean our corrupt prison system employs millions, PMCs employ thousands, cigarette companies employ tons of people, so do the makers of toys like bratz dolls and little girls clothing that over sexualize our daughters. I mean, you get the idea. Just cause I do something and I happen to pay other people to help me does not make what I am doing good. It really just has no bearing what so ever.

I just read that and I sound like kind of a jerk, which I was not trying to do.

To get back on topic, I just found a ethanol free gas station close to my house. I will fill up there next and do a comparison. I'll even try and work the money in there for a mpg/dollars spent sort of thing. My Jeep is bone stock at the moment so there aren't any aftermarket parts that could change the outcome.

You can't get much more off topic than that!

I thought the point of this thread was mpgs and stuff for ethanol vs straight gas?

Holy cow.

I could run my XJ off of Leaded Angel Farts and it would still get terrible millage, I accept that. I'm running my own experiments to see if there are any benefits to the whole ethanol craze. Assuming I can get the E85 for the price I'm getting it now my E26 blend is a few cents a mile cheaper, which could add up to quite a sum of money over a lifetime!

I found this video where the supposedly ran a 2000 chevy tahoe on E85 for over 100000 miles just to see what happened, keep in mind this video was uploaded by a company trying to sell E85 conversion kits!


If the are reporting accurate information there may be hope for running bio fuels in our Cherokee's

haha sorry bro, I'm on my phone using the app, that "off topic" comment should have posted sooner basically right after you posted about prison jobs and slutty childrends outfits!

hahahaha

I'm currently researching the subject, My GF's dad was a diesel mechanic for years so mechanically I've got some help with the swap, I'm going to contact a smog "referee" hopefully this week to see what is required!

Well figured here is a update. Premium e10 is 4.45 a gallon. Premium not ethanol is 4.48 a gallon. Ran 2 full tanks of it so far I have saw a gas mileage increase (haven't actually figured out what yet) and seems to run a lot better. It had hesitation issues before that it doesn't now and it idles better as well.

I keep track of every tank I fill for mpg's. I have/had a station around my house that sold E0 at +$.10=$.30/gal vs E10. What I found is that even at $.40 more /gal it wa sstill more efective to fill with E0. I noticed +2-4 mpg's/gal. But during the winter months the additives and what ever else they add to the gas it wasn't worth the price difference.

The stations that sold the E0 no longer sell it and instead sell an E10 with additives that negate the effect of the ethanol. It's the same stuff the marinas sell, the jury is still out on that but my intial few tanks have shown +2-3 mpg's and warrants the $.05/gal.