Butt Welding to Existing Rear Bumper Plate for Tie-Ins
RE: Adding Tie-ins for an additional mounting point for my bumper (also will be the bolt in locations for my H.D. Engineering Shackles and Gas Tank Skid)
I am not a Fabrication person, and I can barely weld with my Lincoln 180 w/gas MY QUESTIONS IS, Can I just butt weld right to the current mount the 1/4" plate? Should I bevel the 2" x 4" 3/16" piece before welding it up if I do butt joint it? I thought I read somewhere that a Butt weld was weak, maybe I am wrong. Can't imagine cutting all the current stuff off and taking the new 2" x 4" tubing all the way to the bumper itself. Any Advice or Suggestions.... Thanks, https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...031a22660c.jpg |
sure. straight through to the bumper tube would be best, but this should work just fine too.
yeah, i would bevel it. |
Originally Posted by caged
(Post 3117744)
sure. straight through to the bumper tube would be best, but this should work just fine too.
yeah, i would bevel it. |
Yes, bevel it.
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Originally Posted by roninofako
(Post 3117766)
Ditto, and make sure the existing old metal is cleaned up real good as well. Post pics!
Appreciate the advice everyone, I will clean both pieces well and bevel the 2"x4" piece where it butts in. |
I basically just did what you are doing......what I noticed is that the hole into the uni rail of offset of the cl of the mounting bracket, so I just used about 7dollars in angle iron & it worked out great.... Any bumper that just bolt onto the stock mounts will eventually fail....
http://i652.photobucket.com/albums/u...psvkgzqezg.jpg thread https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f67/re...racked-206762/ |
Originally Posted by bryweb
(Post 3117831)
"Post Pictures", its not like I am proud of my welds.... YIKES
Appreciate the advice everyone, I will clean both pieces well and bevel the 2"x4" piece where it butts in. |
Butt Welding to Existing Rear Bumper Plate for Tie-Ins
That's not a butt weld. It's a normal fillet weld. Just weld er up all around the extension with a good anount of heat Into each piece and you'll be good.
Butt weld is where the pieces are the same size and butt flush end to end. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.che...b0716dc29f.jpg |
You'll do fine, just listen for the "bacon sizzle" and rock on. Half moons, back n forth, get that nice stack of dimes.
Because you're welding thinner steel to that heavy plate, start your weld on the plate & bring it to the tie-in. On that Lincoln, "D" will penetrate the plate beautifully, but with your limited experience, you'll likely blow through the tie-in. Set your heat to "C", wire speed at 4 and a half. Try this, go to D/5.5 if its not burning into the thicker plate. Stay on the plate till you get a puddle and slide to the tie-in. Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat... Best of luck! |
Originally Posted by TwistedWrench
(Post 3118751)
You'll do fine, just listen for the "bacon sizzle" and rock on. Half moons, back n forth, get that nice stack of dimes.
Because you're welding thinner steel to that heavy plate, start your weld on the plate & bring it to the tie-in. On that Lincoln, "D" will penetrate the plate beautifully, but with your limited experience, you'll likely blow through the tie-in. Set your heat to "C", wire speed at 4 and a half. Try this, go to D/5.5 if its not burning into the thicker plate. Stay on the plate till you get a puddle and slide to the tie-in. Repeat, repeat, repeat, repeat... Best of luck! Something that might help you out, if you want to be sure your settings are right, grab a couple pieces of scrap that are the same thickness of what you're welding, and lay down some practice beads. Better to screw up on scrap, than your finished product... |
Thanks guys, I am reading all your advice, and I will take pictures.
The rear bumper is not too bad, I am welding 3/16" tubing to 1/4" plate. But soon I will be welding my Hooligan Mid Frame Stiffeners, and my IRO Front Frame Stiffeners into the thinner sheet metal soon. Bryan |
Another Question - WHICH WIRE ?
I am an amateur welder at best, which wire should I use, I ran out of wire and I was using L-56 .030 - should I just get more of this like a 12.5 lb spool ? Or on my clean 3/16" to 1/4" steel for my bumper should I use Lincoln L-56 .035 2lb spool? Then when I do my 3/16" and 10 gauge frame stiffeners to my unibody should I use L-56 .025 2lb spool? Or do you suggest something completely different? I am welding Bumper Tie Ins, Installing Frame Stiffeners, Building Rock Sliders, and building a bracket for YORK On Board Air, then ya know the typical garage stuff, mufflers, broke brackets, etc. I am using Lincoln 180HD with 75% Argon 25% Carbon Dioxide Gas Thanks, |
I would do the .035 on the bumper tie in and do .030 on stiffeners
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Well locally on a Sunday all I can get is a 12.5lb spool or L-56 .035, I don't see using it enough to get that large of a spool and rather get 2lb, The .030 12.5lb spool I can see. Frustrating, maybe I just need to bite the bullet and get a 12.5lb spoor of both..... now to go out to the garage and see what tips I have in stock )-:
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OK - I found I have 2 spools or .35 Flux Core NR-211MP, if I load this can I just run it with the Argon Gas, or do I have to shut the gas off and reverse the polarity and all that stuff?
I read flux core will give better penetration on thicker steel |
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