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Old 02-19-2019, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Pigeon
You could also have an issue with the fuel pump check valve, which can cause the delayed start. Try this: without cranking the engine, turn the key to the 'run' position for 3 seconds, then back to the 'off' position. Do this 3 or 4 times, then start it and see if it starts quicker.

My 98 has the check valve issue, and it starts much quicker if I do this. After it has been started once, it will start easily without doing this. If it sits for an hour or more, I do it again. I could repair it, but this works for me.
I did that tonight when I got in it after sitting all day and I still pedaled it, but it seemed to start noticeably quicker and less of a hard start than this morning. When I started it tonight I turned the key to on three times. I'm starting to wonder if it might just be something like that, but that still leaves the RPM gauge (which is an issue of it's own)
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Check the fuel pressure at the rail. You can rent a free gauge at O'Reilly's. While you're there for the rental buy a bottle of throttle body/carburetor cleaner for your air intake at the idle control valve. Let us know what the fuel pressure at the rail was.
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Also, what is the condition of the rotor and cap on the distributor? Have you ever replaced the cables for your battery?
​​​​​​​What is the year, submodel, engine, and transmission? I can try to find a wiring diagram that way. Also, I can tell you what the expected fuel pressure is with that information.
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Originally Posted by gat
Check the fuel pressure at the rail. You can rent a free gauge at O'Reilly's. While you're there for the rental buy a bottle of throttle body/carburetor cleaner for your air intake at the idle control valve. Let us know what the fuel pressure at the rail was.
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Also, what is the condition of the rotor and cap on the distributor? Have you ever replaced the cables for your battery?
What is the year, submodel, engine, and transmission? I can try to find a wiring diagram that way. Also, I can tell you what the expected fuel pressure is with that information.
I'll have to check on the rest, but it's a 1996 Cherokee Sport 4.0 L 6-cylinder, automatic transmission. I appreciate it!
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I'll have to check on the rest, but it's a 1996 Cherokee Sport 4.0 L 6-cylinder, automatic transmission. I appreciate it!
I won't get to it till tonight. Since you replied really quickly, then you can try your local library for wiring diagrams and manuals.
http://cruiser54.com/?page_id=365 This page has a manual for 1995 and 1996. You might be able to scan to your e-mail a copy at your library or print something from a database for your exact submodel.
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Before you start complex things I'd really look at the cables. Eventually they wear just like spark plugs because of corrosion at the battery mostly and loss of insulation all through. Made in U.S.A. ones are about 1 digit each at O'Reilly's. I have had to replace all three of my Jeep's because starting was a problem from the cables at one point or another. (2001,1992, & 1988).
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As another update, when starting the car this morning, I turned the key multiple times to prime it, but it still struggled to start despite me pumping the gas. It shuddered out and didn't start, but when I tried to crank it a second time, it started up almost normally. It seems like the first attempt in the morning is what it really struggles with. When cranking it up to go home at the end of the day, it still struggles a little, but nowhere near as bad.
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Originally Posted by afau3
As another update, when starting the car this morning, I turned the key multiple times to prime it, but it still struggled to start despite me pumping the gas. It shuddered out and didn't start, but when I tried to crank it a second time, it started up almost normally. It seems like the first attempt in the morning is what it really struggles with. When cranking it up to go home at the end of the day, it still struggles a little, but nowhere near as bad.
You can stop pumping the pedal -prior- to starting - this doesn't do anything on an XJ. (it is not a "gas" pedal. It is an "air" pedal and all you are doing is opening and closing the throttle body butterfly valve - which would control the amount of air the engine receives when starting/running).

But please do the following on your next morning start attempt:

1. Press pedal all the way to the floor
2. Turn key to initiate cranking - let it crank 4-5 times (it will not start - because the pedal is all the way down - this is normal and by design)
3. Remove foot from pedal.
4. Try to start normally

Report back how step #4 reacts. Does it start better? worse? the same as usual?
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Originally Posted by jordan96xj
You can stop pumping the pedal -prior- to starting - this doesn't do anything on an XJ. (it is not a "gas" pedal. It is an "air" pedal and all you are doing is opening and closing the throttle body butterfly valve - which would control the amount of air the engine receives when starting/running).

But please do the following on your next morning start attempt:

1. Press pedal all the way to the floor
2. Turn key to initiate cranking - let it crank 4-5 times (it will not start - because the pedal is all the way down - this is normal and by design)
3. Remove foot from pedal.
4. Try to start normally

Report back how step #4 reacts. Does it start better? worse? the same as usual?
I can do that. Just out of curiosity, what is the significance of doing so? What would it be checking for?
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If fuel pressure and spark is good which I suspect it is since this primarily seems to be a cold start issue .... I suspect you have leaky fuel injectors ... opening
the throttle allows more air to get to the fuel soaked plugs and allows it to run .. once the excess fuel is burned out of the cylinders she runs fine! My thoughts with the limited info provided .
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Did you clean your throttle body or get p.s.i. at the rail yet?
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Originally Posted by afau3
I can do that. Just out of curiosity, what is the significance of doing so? What would it be checking for?
It utilizes the computer's clear-flood mode to help identify if the startup problems are related to unspent fuel collecting in the combustion chambers while sitting (such as leaky injectors). Pedal full-down start allows cranking and spark, but disables fuel injector pulsing.
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