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sexy_hotfootball_stud00 04-28-2010 09:32 AM

Top end knock
 
I have a knock in the top end. Replaced rocker pivots and bridges. Didn't fix it. thinking it might be pushrods. Any other ideas?

tannerp89 04-28-2010 09:42 AM

collapsed lifter, or a bent pushrod, or bent valve. most likely a collapsed lifter. did you pull the rods when you replaced the rocker pivots/bridges. also rocker pivots have a short break in time where they will make a slight tick until they seat...

useitorlooseit 04-28-2010 10:01 AM

maybe a rist pin noise in the piston pin!??

tannerp89 04-28-2010 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by useitorlooseit (Post 521340)
maybe a rist pin noise in the piston pin!??


better hope not...this would mean the wrist pin is failing and your in jeopardy of throwin a rod and/or some serious piston slap :cursing:

sexy_hotfootball_stud00 04-28-2010 10:08 AM

its more than a slight tick. its pretty loud. comes and goes sometimes when its cold and sometimes when its hot.

My375hp302 04-28-2010 10:13 AM

Pull the valve cover and start it, you may spill a little oil but it should become very obvious where the noise is coming from.

useitorlooseit 04-28-2010 10:13 AM

rist pin! just drive it it will fine it wont break i have a 4 runner same noise and its been like that for years

tannerp89 04-28-2010 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by My375hp302 (Post 521350)
Pull the valve cover and start it, you may spill a little oil but it should become very obvious where the noise is coming from.

x2....pull the rods and lifters and inspect both, that sounds like a collapsed lifter (loud ticking when cold/at idle is because of low oil pressure and ticking while hot is due to low oil viscosity) meaning your not moving enough oil through the lifter.

ironmoto524 04-28-2010 05:08 PM

i've got the same noise and also replaced pivots,bridges,rocker arms and rods. when you guys say 'lifter'....you mean the tappets at the bottom of the pushrod??if so is it possible to replace them without pulling the head??

tannerp89 04-28-2010 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by ironmoto524 (Post 521786)
i've got the same noise and also replaced pivots,bridges,rocker arms and rods. when you guys say 'lifter'....you mean the tappets at the bottom of the pushrod??if so is it possible to replace them without pulling the head??

yep flat tappet cam uses hydraulic lifters.... and get one of the magnets on a stick and use that. get em to start to pull out then give em a quick yank and they will pop right out.

My375hp302 04-28-2010 05:20 PM

Hope your noise turns out better than mine...

Bustedback 04-28-2010 07:26 PM

Pull the engine completely apart and dump everything out on the lawn, then put it all back together again. May not fix it, but it will impress the neighbors.

tannerp89 04-28-2010 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by Bustedback (Post 521955)
Pull the engine completely apart and dump everything out on the lawn, then put it all back together again. May not fix it, but it will impress the neighbors.

my neighbors just *****ed n moaned about me workin n cussin in the front yard at 2 in the mornin....your neighbors must like you hehe

98 JeepJeep 04-28-2010 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by tannerp89 (Post 521792)
yep flat tappet cam uses hydraulic lifters.... and get one of the magnets on a stick and use that. get em to start to pull out then give em a quick yank and they will pop right out.

nope...not on a HO 4.0....Head has to come off.......

ironmoto524 04-28-2010 11:03 PM

ok then so what is it?? the motor is a fuel injected 4.0. its in an 88 xj. My first thoughts say that i cant do it otherwise i would have tried while replacing the rest if the parts. has anyone done this or is it just theory??


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