Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here XJ (84-01)
All OEM related XJ specific tech. Examples, no start, general maintenance or anything that's stock.
Old 09-21-2015, 02:22 PM
How-Tos on this Topic
Last edit by: IB Advertising
See related guides and technical advice from our community experts:

Browse all: Engine
Print Wikipost

throttle position sensor

Old 06-23-2011, 02:13 PM
  #1  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
brewerxj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: oklahoma
Posts: 57
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default throttle position sensor

My Jeep started idling rough and pulsating when accelerating then finally the check engine light came on. I had it checked and it showed two codes for the TPS. I replace it and the battery at the same time to let the computer reset. Fire it up and same thing....get it diagnosed and one code for TPS....did I do something wrong?
Old 06-23-2011, 02:41 PM
  #2  
Member
 
4jeepers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Southern California
Posts: 224
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Year: 1988
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Exclamation

I don't know if the TPS is adjustable on a 1999, There is an adjustment on my 1988 Renix. Did you just start the vehicle up, or did you take it for a long drive with the new TPS. It takes a while of driving the vehicle for the ECU to learn the new sensor sometimes. Give it a try and get back to us!
Old 06-23-2011, 03:17 PM
  #3  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
brewerxj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: oklahoma
Posts: 57
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

I've put probably 100 miles on it already, and I don't believe it is adjustable..
Old 06-23-2011, 04:14 PM
  #4  
Senior Member
 
excess650's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: here today gone tomorrow
Posts: 746
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

The post Renix TPS is a 3 lead unit and not adjustable. It wouldn't be uncommon for an aftermarket sensor to not work correctly, so don't be surprised if its defective.

They can be tested, and the visual part is easier if you have an analog VOM. With the ignition in the "on" position, one of the leads supplies 5v, another is ground, and the remaining lead is the output. On my '96 the output indicated .76v with the throttle closed and 3.8V or so wide open. The transition in voltage needs to be a linear progression from closed to open.
Old 06-23-2011, 06:30 PM
  #5  
CF Veteran
 
tjwalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: In the middle of Minnesota!
Posts: 5,804
Received 99 Likes on 88 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by excess650
The post Renix TPS is a 3 lead unit and not adjustable. It wouldn't be uncommon for an aftermarket sensor to not work correctly, so don't be surprised if its defective.

They can be tested, and the visual part is easier if you have an analog VOM. With the ignition in the "on" position, one of the leads supplies 5v, another is ground, and the remaining lead is the output. On my '96 the output indicated .76v with the throttle closed and 3.8V or so wide open. The transition in voltage needs to be a linear progression from closed to open.
Excellent advice. Also remember that a code covers the entire "circuit", not just the sensor itself. That means that you have to go over the connector and wiring for the TPS with a fine tooth comb.
Old 06-23-2011, 08:44 PM
  #6  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
brewerxj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: oklahoma
Posts: 57
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

I disconnected the battery and every sensor I could see for an hour and same thing..I sucked a small amount of water in the KanN filter about two weeks ago and I think that's the culprit ...pulled all plugs and turned it over and no water in any of the cylinders though..i wd'd the cylinders AND throttle body just in case..should i not have sprayed the throttle body?? have I'm kinda green with a meter but I will give it a try!
Old 06-24-2011, 06:34 AM
  #7  
Member
 
wjnfirearms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Portersville, Pennsylvania
Posts: 242
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Year: 1997 & 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

I have to agree with the mention of a possibly defective TPS. Between all three post '96 XJs I've owned or own, I've replaced them several times. They just don't seem to last and that's from different parts outlets. If the code persists much longer, I'd suggest taking it back for another.
Old 07-08-2011, 12:40 PM
  #8  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
brewerxj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: oklahoma
Posts: 57
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Just tested my tps and had 5 volt lead
Old 07-08-2011, 12:42 PM
  #9  
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
brewerxj's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: oklahoma
Posts: 57
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

But the throttle side read. 0.41 and did not change when wide open ....bad sensor?
Old 07-08-2011, 12:54 PM
  #10  
CF Veteran
 
tjwalker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: In the middle of Minnesota!
Posts: 5,804
Received 99 Likes on 88 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

The throttle position sensor is connected to the throttle shaft on the throttle body. It sends throttle valve angle information to the PCM. The PCM uses this information to determine how much fuel the engine needs. The TPS is really just a simple potentiometer with one end connected to 5 volts from the PCM and the other to ground. A third wire is connected to the PCM. As you move the accelerator pedal with your foot, the output of the TPS changes. At a closed throttle position, the output of the TPS is low, about a half a volt. As the throttle valve opens, the output increases so that, at wide open throttle, the output voltage should be above 3.9 volts. Testing can be performed with an electrical meter. Analog meter is best. You are looking for a smooth sweep of voltage throughout the entire throttle band. While slowly opening and closing the throttle, take note to the movement of the voltmeter needle. There should be a direct relationship between the needle motion to the motion of the throttle. If at anytime the needle moves abruptly or inconsistently with the movement of the throttle, the TPS is bad

You should have 5 volts going into the TPS. At idle, TPS output voltage must be greater than 200 millivolts. At wide open throttle (WOT), TPS output voltage must be less than 4.8 volts.. The best is to use an analog meter (not digital) to see if the transition from idle to WOT is smooth with no dead spots. With your meter set for volts, put the black probe on a good ground like your negative battery terminal. With the key on, engine not running, test with the red probe of your meter (install a paper clip into the back of the plug of the TPS) to see which wire has the 5 volts. One of the other wires should show .26V (or so). The other wire will be the ground and should show no voltage. Move the throttle and look for smooth meter response up to the 4.49 at WOT.

Perform the test procedure again and wiggle and/or tap on the TPS while you watch the meter. If you notice any flat spots or abrupt changes in the meter readings, replace the TPS.

The TPS is sensitive to heat, moisture and vibration leading to the failure of some units. The sensor is a sealed unit and cannot be repaired only replaced. A TPS may fail gradually leading to a number of symptoms which can include one or more of the following: -

NOTE: The throttle position sensor is also DIRECTLY involved with transmission shifting characteristics! It should be verified early in the troubleshooting process, when a transmission issue is suspected!

• Poor idle control: The TPS is used by the ECU to determine if the throttle is closed and the car should be using the Idle Air Control Valve exclusively for idle control. A fault TPS sensor can confuse the ECU causing the idle to be erratic or "hunting".
• High Idle Speed: The TPS may report faulty values causing the engine idle speed to be increased above normal. This is normally found in conjunction with a slow engine return to idle speed symptom.
• Slow engine return to idle: A failing TPS can report the minimum throttle position values incorrectly which can stop the engine entering idle mode when the throttle is closed. Normally when the throttle is closed the engine fuel injectors will be deactivated until a defined engine RPM speed is reached and the engine brought smoothly to idle speed. When failing a TPS will not report the throttle closed and fueling will continue causing the engine to return to idle very slowly.
• Engine Hesitation on Throttle Application: The TPS is also used by the ECU to determine if the driver has applied the throttle quicker than the Manifold Air Pressure sensor can read. The fueling is adjusted acordingly to cope with the sudden increase in air volume, however a faulty sensor can cause the ECU to ignore this data and the engine will "hesitate" when applying the throttle. In extreme cases with the engine at idle, a sudden application of full throttle can stall the engine.
• Engine Misfire: A fault TPS can report values outside the deined acceptable range causing the ECU to incorrectly fuel the engine. This is noticable as a slight misfire and can trigger the misfire detection software and/or Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) light on the dashboard. Extreme cases can cause excessing misfires resulting in one or more cylinders being shut down to prevent engine and catalytic converter damage.
Old 08-19-2015, 08:34 AM
  #11  
Junior Member
 
moparchero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Eastern CT
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 98
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 2.5
Default

Originally Posted by tjwalker
The throttle position sensor is connected to the throttle shaft on the throttle body. It sends throttle valve angle information to the PCM. The PCM uses this information to determine how much fuel the engine needs. The TPS is really just a simple potentiometer with one end connected to 5 volts from the PCM and the other to ground. A third wire is connected to the PCM. As you move the accelerator pedal with your foot, the output of the TPS changes. At a closed throttle position, the output of the TPS is low, about a half a volt. As the throttle valve opens, the output increases so that, at wide open throttle, the output voltage should be above 3.9 volts. Testing can be performed with an electrical meter. Analog meter is best. You are looking for a smooth sweep of voltage throughout the entire throttle band. While slowly opening and closing the throttle, take note to the movement of the voltmeter needle. There should be a direct relationship between the needle motion to the motion of the throttle. If at anytime the needle moves abruptly or inconsistently with the movement of the throttle, the TPS is bad

You should have 5 volts going into the TPS. At idle, TPS output voltage must be greater than 200 millivolts. At wide open throttle (WOT), TPS output voltage must be less than 4.8 volts.. The best is to use an analog meter (not digital) to see if the transition from idle to WOT is smooth with no dead spots. With your meter set for volts, put the black probe on a good ground like your negative battery terminal. With the key on, engine not running, test with the red probe of your meter (install a paper clip into the back of the plug of the TPS) to see which wire has the 5 volts. One of the other wires should show .26V (or so). The other wire will be the ground and should show no voltage. Move the throttle and look for smooth meter response up to the 4.49 at WOT.

Perform the test procedure again and wiggle and/or tap on the TPS while you watch the meter. If you notice any flat spots or abrupt changes in the meter readings, replace the TPS.

The TPS is sensitive to heat, moisture and vibration leading to the failure of some units. The sensor is a sealed unit and cannot be repaired only replaced. A TPS may fail gradually leading to a number of symptoms which can include one or more of the following: -

NOTE: The throttle position sensor is also DIRECTLY involved with transmission shifting characteristics! It should be verified early in the troubleshooting process, when a transmission issue is suspected!

• Poor idle control: The TPS is used by the ECU to determine if the throttle is closed and the car should be using the Idle Air Control Valve exclusively for idle control. A fault TPS sensor can confuse the ECU causing the idle to be erratic or "hunting".
• High Idle Speed: The TPS may report faulty values causing the engine idle speed to be increased above normal. This is normally found in conjunction with a slow engine return to idle speed symptom.
• Slow engine return to idle: A failing TPS can report the minimum throttle position values incorrectly which can stop the engine entering idle mode when the throttle is closed. Normally when the throttle is closed the engine fuel injectors will be deactivated until a defined engine RPM speed is reached and the engine brought smoothly to idle speed. When failing a TPS will not report the throttle closed and fueling will continue causing the engine to return to idle very slowly.
• Engine Hesitation on Throttle Application: The TPS is also used by the ECU to determine if the driver has applied the throttle quicker than the Manifold Air Pressure sensor can read. The fueling is adjusted acordingly to cope with the sudden increase in air volume, however a faulty sensor can cause the ECU to ignore this data and the engine will "hesitate" when applying the throttle. In extreme cases with the engine at idle, a sudden application of full throttle can stall the engine.
• Engine Misfire: A fault TPS can report values outside the deined acceptable range causing the ECU to incorrectly fuel the engine. This is noticable as a slight misfire and can trigger the misfire detection software and/or Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) light on the dashboard. Extreme cases can cause excessing misfires resulting in one or more cylinders being shut down to prevent engine and catalytic converter damage.
I just spent half an hour watching a youtube video on TPS, and I could have easily just read this instead. Excellent information.

I dont mean to piggy back, but the threads been dead a while and I believe I'm having a TPS problem. It only read between .76 at idle and 3.6 at WOT. I replaced the sensor, and actually got even lower readings. I'm sure I wouldn't be the first person to get a bum part from autozone, but is there something else I should check? I cleaned the throttle body a few months ago and the grounds look fine.
Old 08-19-2015, 09:07 AM
  #12  
kgm
CF Veteran
 
kgm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Denver
Posts: 1,589
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Year: 99
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Order a Mopar / OEM TPS sensor for safest bets.
Old 08-19-2015, 09:16 AM
  #13  
CF Veteran
 
CCKen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Canton, MI
Posts: 8,357
Likes: 0
Received 82 Likes on 67 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by moparchero
I just spent half an hour watching a youtube video on TPS, and I could have easily just read this instead. Excellent information.

I dont mean to piggy back, but the threads been dead a while and I believe I'm having a TPS problem. It only read between .76 at idle and 3.6 at WOT. I replaced the sensor, and actually got even lower readings. I'm sure I wouldn't be the first person to get a bum part from autozone, but is there something else I should check? I cleaned the throttle body a few months ago and the grounds look fine.


BWD TPS's suck. I went through several, all of which were out of spec. The OEM TPS is the only way to go.


Do this though...


Under the hood - manually move the throttle to WOT. The cam (stop) on the linkage should contact the step on the TB. If it doesn't, disconnect the transmission kick down linkage and see if it's interfering. If it is, adjust the kick down cable.


At idle the linkage should contact the stop screw on the TB. Do not adjust this screw.
Old 08-19-2015, 01:39 PM
  #14  
Junior Member
 
moparchero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Eastern CT
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 98
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 2.5
Default

Originally Posted by CCKen
BWD TPS's suck. I went through several, all of which were out of spec. The OEM TPS is the only way to go.


Do this though...


Under the hood - manually move the throttle to WOT. The cam (stop) on the linkage should contact the step on the TB. If it doesn't, disconnect the transmission kick down linkage and see if it's interfering. If it is, adjust the kick down cable.


At idle the linkage should contact the stop screw on the TB. Do not adjust this screw.
No kickdown linkage. I should have specified earlier- its a 98 XJ with a 2.5l and AX5 manual transmission transmission. The Haynes manual says that I should be reading close to 4.8v at WOT, is this true?
Old 08-19-2015, 03:19 PM
  #15  
CF Veteran
 
CCKen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Canton, MI
Posts: 8,357
Likes: 0
Received 82 Likes on 67 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by moparchero
No kickdown linkage. I should have specified earlier- its a 98 XJ with a 2.5l and AX5 manual transmission transmission. The Haynes manual says that I should be reading close to 4.8v at WOT, is this true?

Better late than never on the vehicle specs. I usually don't venture any suggestions unless I know the vehicle specs.


If you look in your factory service manual for your Jeep you will find the TPS specs.


Good luck.

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: throttle position sensor



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:11 PM.