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jeepsluvmud Aug 31, 2013 07:03 AM

Son of a B!!! HELP
 
Hey guys, i made a impulse buy last night. I got a running 4.0 ho for 80 bucks. All i really wanted was the head. I have a 89 4.0 that i am stroking. They guy told me it was out of a 94 cherokee but after i got it home i found it was out of a 97. Will this 97 head work on my 89 block? I know i will have to mod the manifold:hang:.

salad Aug 31, 2013 07:37 AM

Easy. Stole this from our fried cruiser54:


Originally Posted by cruiser54
Cruiser’s HO into Renix Swap

This swap is easier than some will lead you to believe, generally those who have never done it. Those of us who have done it, like myself, will share with you the things that need to be done for a successful swap. Just think of it as swapping in a long block.

The HO and Renix have some differences but none that can’t be overcome very easily.

Any HO engine from an XJ or ZJ through 1998 can be used. One running change was that the rear of the head was no longer drilled and tapped for the temperature gauge sender beginning in the 96 model year. The sender can be relocated to the threaded hole in the thermostat housing taken from the HO engine. You’ll have to extend the wire to that location. Some brave souls even drill and tap the HO head for the sender.

You will be using the intake and exhaust manifolds from your Renix, along with all your sensors and wiring. Since the intake ports of the HO are slightly different, you use the Renix gasket. Exhaust ports are identical.

You will need to use your Renix distributor as it is different than the HO because they use different fuel management systems. The flywheel or flexplate from the Renix must be used so your CPS gets the correct signals. The valve cover from the Renix allows you to keep your CCV system intact and requires no modifications.

The HO block will have a plug in the coolant galley on the driver’s side of the block, closest to the front, which needs to be removed so your Coolant Temp Sensor can be installed in it’s place just as it is on the Renix. It requires a 5/16" square drive or a modified 3/8" drive that has been ground down to fit. Do this before installing the engine.

As for the knock sensor, which is located just above the oil pan on the driver’s side of the engine about mid way, all the blocks I’ve seen are threaded for it. If not, I’ve heard they may be drilled but not tapped. Tap the hole if that’s the case.

Revised 07/24/2012


cruiser54 Aug 31, 2013 09:20 PM


Originally Posted by salad (Post 2595856)
Easy. Stole this from our fried cruiser54:

Frickin thief!!

And yes, this is a simple swap. Any questions, post them up.

Here is the write-up without the weird crap in salad's. Where did that come from salad? A Snoopy cartoon?



Cruiser’s HO into Renix Swap
This swap is easier than some will lead you to believe, generally those who have never done it. Those of us who have done it, like myself, will share with you the things that need to be done for a successful swap. Just think of it as swapping in a long block.
The HO and Renix have some differences but none that can’t be overcome very easily.
Any HO engine from an XJ or ZJ through 1999 can be used. One running change was that the rear of the head was no longer drilled and tapped for the temperature gauge sender beginning in the 96 model year. The sender can be relocated to the threaded hole in the thermostat housing taken from the HO engine. You’ll have to extend the wire to that location. Some brave souls even drill and tap the HO head for the sender.
You will be using the intake and exhaust manifolds from your Renix, along with all your sensors and wiring. Since the intake ports of the HO are slightly different, you use the Renix gasket. Exhaust ports are identical.
You will need to use your Renix distributor as it is different than the HO because they use different fuel management systems. The flywheel or flexplate from the Renix must be used so your CPS gets the correct signals. The valve cover from the Renix allows you to keep your CCV system intact and requires no modifications.
The HO block will have a plug in the coolant galley on the driver’s side of the block, closest to the front, which needs to be removed so your Coolant Temp Sensor can be installed in it’s place just as it is on the Renix. It requires a 5/16" square drive or a modified 3/8" drive that has been ground down to fit. Do this before installing the engine.
As for the knock sensor, which is located just above the oil pan on the driver’s side of the engine about mid way, all the blocks I’ve seen are threaded for it. If not, I’ve heard they may be drilled but not tapped. Tap the hole if that’s the case.
 
Revised 03/28/13
 

belvedere Aug 31, 2013 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by salad (Post 2595856)
Easy. Stole this from our fried cruiser54:

You take that back - cruiser is NOT fried! (baked, maybe, err, umm, I mean...)

cruiser54 Aug 31, 2013 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by belvedere (Post 2596524)
You take that back - cruiser is NOT fried! (baked, maybe, err, umm, I mean...)

Feeling a little beer buzz at the moment.........

Working on my latest project. Modding the TPS signal to the TCU on a Renix Jeep to delay upshifts .

belvedere Aug 31, 2013 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by cruiser54 (Post 2596527)
Feeling a little beer buzz at the moment.........

LOL!

cruiser54 Aug 31, 2013 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by belvedere (Post 2596531)
LOL!


Got the output voltage of the TCU side of the TPS down to 4.37 from 4.54.

My input voltage is 5.40. Pretty good, eh?

I need more resistance in the circuit to fool the TCU into thinking the throttle is depressed fruther than it really is.

belvedere Aug 31, 2013 10:34 PM

Sounds like an interesting project, Cruiser!

mr white Sep 1, 2013 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by cruiser54 (Post 2596527)
Feeling a little beer buzz at the moment.........

Working on my latest project. Modding the TPS signal to the TCU on a Renix Jeep to delay upshifts .

Swap to 5spd. Case close!

salad Sep 1, 2013 06:32 AM


Originally Posted by cruiser54 (Post 2596489)
Frickin thief!!

Darn tootin. How many people do you think have done a TPS testing writeup since tjwalker posted that one?


Originally Posted by cruiser54 (Post 2596489)
Here is the write-up without the weird crap in salad's. Where did that come from salad? A Snoopy cartoon?

Revised 03/28/13

You wrote it ya dingbat. Check the revision date. I'll remember that for next time though... Searching from my phone is a bit of a chore.

cruiser54 Sep 1, 2013 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by salad (Post 2596714)
Darn tootin. How many people do you think have done a TPS testing writeup since tjwalker posted that one?



You wrote it ya dingbat. Check the revision date. I'll remember that for next time though... Searching from my phone is a bit of a chore.

I know it's mine. But where did the %(*(^ crap come from in the one you posted? And I'm the one with the beer buzz?

salad Sep 1, 2013 10:51 AM


Originally Posted by cruiser54 (Post 2596810)
I know it's mine. But where did the %(*(^ crap come from in the one you posted? And I'm the one with the beer buzz?

What crap? The formatting screwup would be the fault of the phone app I suppose, but the text is the same as appears in https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f51/cr...2/ (which I guess you'll want to update now)

jeepsluvmud Sep 1, 2013 02:54 PM

would u guys try and use the intake from the 97 and stick it on my 89 block or is it not worth it? also will the rods work from the 97 for my renix?

salad Sep 1, 2013 03:08 PM


Originally Posted by jeepsluvmud (Post 2597057)
would u guys try and use the intake from the 97 and stick it on my 89 block or is it not worth it?

Not worth it and all of the vacuum, fuel, and sensor fittings are different.

cruiser54 Sep 1, 2013 08:32 PM


Originally Posted by salad (Post 2596870)
What crap? The formatting screwup would be the fault of the phone app I suppose, but the text is the same as appears in https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f51/cr...2/#post2114735 (which I guess you'll want to update now)


Looks good to me from my PC.


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