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Old 02-03-2009, 08:10 PM
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Maybe I'm loosing it or maybe my cherokee is. I just bought this thing 2 months ago. I was playing around at my dads trying some flexing out on a brick wall he has around his driveway. I had it in low range and when I was turning around in the gravel the inside rear wheel was spinning. It felt like it was dragging, and like it was locked up. Is this normal in low range? By the way I had it jacked up and the tires both spin different directions, so anyone know whats up? It drives fine on the street.
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i probably cause u did not turn fast enough to move a locking ball or spring.
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I did it multiple times. I wasn't going much more then a couple miles per hour, if your theory is correct then why doesn't both tires spin when you do it manually? I'm stumped.
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I did it multiple times. I wasn't going much more then a couple miles per hour, if your theory is correct then why doesn't both tires spin when you do it manually? I'm stumped.
thats normal in 4x4
now if it did that in 2wd I would think locker
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Mike, Please educate me on why it would only do this in 4 and not 2. Is it because of the front end being engaged?
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I don't see where you state that you know for fact that you even have a locker.

all you are explaining in your post is that one wheel spins when it has no traction, and the one that does have traction does not spin.

that spells out open differential to me, or non-functioning/broken limited slip.
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My XJ acts similar sometimes. I just become thankful that it's happening, more traction.
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in 4 lo, both the front and rear DS are locked, meaning they dont diferentiate. if you had fulltime 4x4 it would not do what you said. the same thing happened to me but it was on pavement and my tires chirped. yet I know i dont have a locker or limited slip.
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in 4 lo, both the front and rear DS are locked, meaning they dont diferentiate. if you had fulltime 4x4 it would not do what you said. the same thing happened to me but it was on pavement and my tires chirped. yet I know i dont have a locker or limited slip.

he has a 242 full time case according to his vehicle info.
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in 4 lo, both the front and rear DS are locked, meaning they dont diferentiate. if you had fulltime 4x4 it would not do what you said. the same thing happened to me but it was on pavement and my tires chirped. yet I know i dont have a locker or limited slip.
Perfect. Thats what I wanted to hear. I do have fulltime but I was in Lo. Thanks Bud!

JeepCoMJ, If you read what I have above it would have told you what I was trying to figure out. Thanks though

99XJDad, I was glad! Helped me get over that brick wall. hahaha

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anytime
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I think a lot of people misunderstand the term "Full-Time" when referring to an NP242. I misunderstood it, I thought the "Full-Time" meant it acted similar to awd consistently. Really it's just referring to the full-time 4x4 option on the t-case.

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Originally Posted by 99XJDad
I think a lot of people misunderstand the term "Full-Time" when referring to an NP242. I misunderstood it, I thought the "Full-Time" meant it acted similar to awd consistently. Really it's just referring to the full-time 4x4 option on the t-case.
yes and no.

full time is very similar to awd. simply put, the term "full-time" when applied to a jeep, is that you may youse that t-case selection ANY time you drive it.

part time means that you can only use it in situations where there is some form of slip to allow for differentiation between front and rear tires. if you should use this selection on dry pavement, chances are highly increased that you will bind the t-case and split it in half.



fivendime, I did read it...I did not read you saying that both wheels were spinning. I read that the "inside rear wheel was turning". that says one wheel. one wheel says open diff, or broken trac-loc.

simple deductive reasoning. I had a feeling that you were trying to say both tires were spinning, but it wasn't even close to being obvious, so I pointed out what I posted earlier to give you another viable avenue of options, and also because it DID help clear up the position of what problem you are having.


now, to let you know, my front (dana 30) and rear (dana 44) axles will spin both tires sometimes when they both have an equal amount of slip between them (allowing them to both break loose at the same time), or if I leave the parking brake on a few clicks (old traction gain trick).

that said, you may wish to look at your rear brakes to find out if they are hanging up, and causing that problem.

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Seems you were the only one to question me about 1 wheel spinning. I also stated I had an open diff on my original post. Thanks again for the info. I know that brake trick as well. My dad taught that to me. Its a great idea for that added extra traction. Brakes are fine though. I just couldn't figure out why my inner wheel was grabbing even though I had an open diff.
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mmk. I disagree as you didn't state open diff...you didn't speak with terms, simply stated that the vehicle's axles do what an open differntial does do.

I apologize, as from the thread title and your first post I did not realize that you did know the concept of an open diff (and I really do mean no offense). the way it was delivered made me think of a newb lol.


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