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GRANDLICH 08-27-2012 05:21 PM

Gauges not working after rebuild?
 
So I searched and didnt see or find anything I though could be the problem. I have a 93 jeep cherokee, 4.0 engine, 4x4.

Last week we finished up the rebuild on my engine. Put the motor back in hooked everything up started it up and the temp was at 210 on the gauge, the oil gauge was tacked out to the right at 80. checked it with another guage at the sending unit and it was at 20 for oil pressure. The next morning started it up and the temp was out of wack also now sits right in the middle of the red now. Checked it with a laser temp reader at the thermostat housing and it said 204 degrees.

So I went and bought a new temp. sending unit and a oil pressure sending unit thinking this would solve my problem... well it didnt. So now im stuck and dont know what to check. the oil pressure guage seems to be right now most of the time but at times I see it sit at 40 and when I hit the gas move up from there but it always goes back down twords 18-20ish area.

If you guys have any ideas on what I could do it would be much appreciated!

Radi 08-27-2012 10:00 PM

All the ground wires back in place?

belvedere 08-27-2012 10:04 PM

Yes, check grounds.

GRANDLICH 08-28-2012 01:49 AM

Yup just double checked have everything grounded good. Its weird the guages act like they work just off like the temp gauge goes up in temp after start up but goes to the middle of the red. And the oil pressure is all around the place(in the right spot sometimes other times not)

Radi 08-28-2012 01:31 PM

Is your voltage correct? Not overly high or low?

GRANDLICH 08-28-2012 08:34 PM


Originally Posted by Radi (Post 1986442)
Is your voltage correct? Not overly high or low?

Voltage is right below 14.

Radi 08-29-2012 12:33 AM

At 190 degrees that temp sender should measure between 850 and 950 ohms to ground.
Lower resistance means higher temp readings. What does yours measure at operating temp?

GRANDLICH 08-31-2012 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by Radi (Post 1987779)
At 190 degrees that temp sender should measure between 850 and 950 ohms to ground.
Lower resistance means higher temp readings. What does yours measure at operating temp?

Okay so I dont know if I did the readings right but i drove around town temp was at 205 ish and then came home too the readings(ground on the main engine ground in the back and the positive side on the temp sending unit) and it read 2.8 ohms??

Radi 08-31-2012 04:43 PM


Originally Posted by GRANDLICH (Post 1992958)
the readings(ground on the main engine ground in the back and the positive side on the temp sending unit) and it read 2.8 ohms??


Well... that'll peg the gauge alright. Do you have the correct sender, ie: gauge, not idiot light?

GRANDLICH 08-31-2012 04:54 PM


Originally Posted by Radi (Post 1993001)
Well... that'll peg the gauge alright. Do you have the correct sender, ie: gauge, not idiot light?

What do you mean sender? If your talking about the temp sending unit its the one that screws into the back on the bolck with the plug in on top. or do you mean my tester. the tester is a fluke has all diffrent modes.

freegdr 08-31-2012 04:58 PM

block to firewall ground hooked up ?

GRANDLICH 08-31-2012 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by freegdr (Post 1993035)
block to firewall ground hooked up ?

Yup

freegdr 08-31-2012 05:08 PM

no pinched wires between bellhousing and motor, under wotor mounts,melted to exhaust gotta check every where.

GRANDLICH 08-31-2012 05:10 PM


Originally Posted by freegdr (Post 1993049)
no pinched wires between bellhousing and motor, under wotor mounts,melted to exhaust gotta check every where.

nope none anywere checked a few diffrent times

freegdr 08-31-2012 05:14 PM

is any other electrial going bonkers,try another battery.

GRANDLICH 08-31-2012 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by freegdr (Post 1993054)
is any other electrial going bonkers,try another battery.

Its only the temp gauge and the oil gauge jumps around, but thats only sometimes with the oil. I cleaned up the battery really good the other night? you think I need a new battery?

Turbo X_J 08-31-2012 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by GRANDLICH (Post 1993030)
What do you mean sender? If your talking about the temp sending unit its the one that screws into the back on the bolck with the plug in on top. or do you mean my tester. the tester is a fluke has all diffrent modes.

There is a choice of either 1 or 2 + #3:
1.) Sending unit for the dash indicator light.
2.) Sending unit for the dash gauge.
3.) Coolant temperature sensor for the PCM.

freegdr 08-31-2012 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by GRANDLICH (Post 1993065)
Its only the temp gauge and the oil gauge jumps around, but thats only sometimes with the oil. I cleaned up the battery really good the other night? you think I need a new battery?

any thing electrial done while motor was out

freegdr 08-31-2012 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by GRANDLICH (Post 1984492)
So I searched and didnt see or find anything I though could be the problem. I have a 93 jeep cherokee, 4.0 engine, 4x4.

Last week we finished up the rebuild on my engine. Put the motor back in hooked everything up started it up and the temp was at 210 on the gauge, the oil gauge was tacked out to the right at 80. checked it with another guage at the sending unit and it was at 20 for oil pressure. The next morning started it up and the temp was out of wack also now sits right in the middle of the red now. Checked it with a laser temp reader at the thermostat housing and it said 204 degrees.

So I went and bought a new temp. sending unit and a oil pressure sending unit thinking this would solve my problem... well it didnt. So now im stuck and dont know what to check. the oil pressure guage seems to be right now most of the time but at times I see it sit at 40 and when I hit the gas move up from there but it always goes back down twords 18-20ish area.

If you guys have any ideas on what I could do it would be much appreciated!

original sensors were on motor at first start up?

GRANDLICH 08-31-2012 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Turbo X_J (Post 1993067)
There is a choice of either 1 or 2 + #3:
1.) Sending unit for the dash indicator light.
2.) Sending unit for the dash gauge.
3.) Coolant temperature sensor for the PCM.

Oh okay I have number 2 then

Originally Posted by freegdr (Post 1993069)
any thing electrial done while motor was out

nope

Originally Posted by freegdr (Post 1993071)
original sensors were on motor at first start up?

Yes at the very first start up it read 210 on the guage, then the next morning when we started it up it was outta wack replaced temp sending unit and was still acting funny

freegdr 08-31-2012 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by GRANDLICH (Post 1993083)
Oh okay I have number 2 then

nope

Yes at the very first start up it read 210 on the guage, then the next morning when we started it up it was outta wack replaced temp sending unit and was still acting funny

correct sensor bought i assume gauge and light look alike check part number on line...

freegdr 08-31-2012 06:06 PM

sensor on back of head or thermo housing

10sec73 09-01-2012 06:27 AM

freegdr----the sensor is on the back of the head

just trying to help out GRANDLICH

GRANDLICH 09-01-2012 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by freegdr (Post 1993122)
sensor on back of head or thermo housing

Yes the sensor on the back of head, and its the same part.

freegdr 09-01-2012 03:20 PM


Originally Posted by GRANDLICH (Post 1994690)
Yes the sensor on the back of head, and its the same part.

they look just a like

GRANDLICH 09-01-2012 07:25 PM


Originally Posted by freegdr (Post 1994879)
they look just a like

yup

GRANDLICH 09-06-2012 12:31 PM

well still trying to figure this out. I went around and tested anything in the engine bay that is a ground to something. found 3 maybe this will help??


-battery to engine block: .2-.3 ohms


-negative battery terminal to wall(3 inches long): .4 omhs

-NOW THE temp. sending unit(back of block): .9-1.0

these were all taken after the engine had cooled down quite a bit. I was thinking maybe replacing all these ground wires could help, but i did take all them off and cleaned the endes of each wire up. somw looked like there had some corrosion going on inside the the wire??


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