Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here XJ (84-01)
All OEM related XJ specific tech. Examples, no start, general maintenance or anything that's stock.

Does this seem like a pcm/ecu problem? Everything is failing!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 28, 2020 | 06:06 PM
  #16  
Carabinerx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 102
Likes: 5
From: NYC
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4L
Default

I’ll have to try all of that tomorrow morning, I wound up leaving the Jeep at work, I don’t want to make things worse or risk it breaking down on me.

it did fire right up and seemed pretty normal before I left; maybe the idle wasn’t as smooth as could be, but maybe I was just being overly sensitive.

I am worried about seeing so many codes come and go like that, a couple were of misfires and both sets of O2 sensors, and another sensor monitoring the wiring for the O2 sensors, something with the pcm monitoring another circuit shorting...weird stuff, it would definitely seem there is a short somewhere but I couldn’t find anything for the life of me and inched all along that thing

Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 06:14 AM
  #17  
97grand4.0's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,856
Likes: 201
From: syracuse ny
Year: 1997
Model: Grand Cherokee (ZJ)
Engine: 4.0, new lifters valve job with new springs and exhaust valves, preload set with shims
Default

A frequent cause is the front O2 wire grounding out.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 07:54 AM
  #18  
Carabinerx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 102
Likes: 5
From: NYC
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4L
Default

Good morning guys

so I came in early to try and tackle these suggestions, and it turns out there was no fuse in slot 10! Fixing that, the codes disappeared, guess user error was in fact the problem...not sure how doing them one at a time I missed that, but probably because I have an extra in one of the “open” spots that threw my count off.

as far as the drain, bypassing the pdc I will see the 70mA, while doing this I disconnected the alternator and the starter and still see it, where is the next place to look? The wires are covered so I can trace the continuation of the + red wire
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 08:14 AM
  #19  
Dave51's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,413
Likes: 399
From: Connecticut
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by Dave51
Is there a drain when red is connected to green, bypassing PDC?
Originally Posted by Carabinerx
as far as the drain, bypassing the pdc I will see the 70mA,
So to be clear, if the red wire to PDC is disconnected, drain stops, but if red is connected to green, and the PDC is completely bypassed, drain appears?
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 08:37 AM
  #20  
Carabinerx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 102
Likes: 5
From: NYC
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4L
Default

Yes correct, just red and green, no pdc, I still the drain. Just red and green, no pdc, no alternator, no starter, I still see the drain.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 08:49 AM
  #21  
Dave51's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,413
Likes: 399
From: Connecticut
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by Carabinerx
Yes correct, just red and green, no pdc, I still the drain. Just red and green, no pdc, no alternator, no starter, I still see the drain.
Green turns to Black/Yellow Stripe which goes to the alternator. Check that area out carefully.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 08:53 AM
  #22  
97grand4.0's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,856
Likes: 201
From: syracuse ny
Year: 1997
Model: Grand Cherokee (ZJ)
Engine: 4.0, new lifters valve job with new springs and exhaust valves, preload set with shims
Default

If your vehicle has the security system, check the key lock switches. Not the door switches.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 10:03 AM
  #23  
Carabinerx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 102
Likes: 5
From: NYC
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4L
Default

So you think it’s a problem with the grounding? Am I looking for a short before the pdc?
I had fully disconnected the alt this morning when I still saw the drain.

im honestly not sure if I do have the security system haha, no blinking red light, that’s for sure.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 10:19 AM
  #24  
Dave51's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
 
Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 3,413
Likes: 399
From: Connecticut
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by Carabinerx
So you think it’s a problem with the grounding? Am I looking for a short before the pdc?
I had fully disconnected the alt this morning when I still saw the drain.
Then the short has to be in the Black/Yellow Stripe wire. Fully expose it.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 12:37 PM
  #25  
Carabinerx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 102
Likes: 5
From: NYC
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4L
Default


I stripped the ground wire bare up to the pdc and to the alternator and I don’t see anything amiss...maybe someone else does?

Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 12:43 PM
  #26  
Carabinerx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 102
Likes: 5
From: NYC
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4L
Default



Should this still be reading 70mA on the battery posts when the negative is disconnected?! Could this be a multi problem?
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 01:21 PM
  #27  
97grand4.0's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,856
Likes: 201
From: syracuse ny
Year: 1997
Model: Grand Cherokee (ZJ)
Engine: 4.0, new lifters valve job with new springs and exhaust valves, preload set with shims
Default

LOL that should be reading the full short circuit current of the battery, dude. How many cold cranking amps you have there? 800 amps? If you're on the 10A scale, you for sure popped the little fuse in the meter. Good luck finding those for less than the cost of a new meter.
If you're on the mA scale you fried the meter.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 01:53 PM
  #28  
Carabinerx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 102
Likes: 5
From: NYC
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4L
Default

Right...I can see how that would be a problem haha. I generally do not know enough about electronics/circuits to have considered that would blow the multi, though in hindsight it seems pretty obvious!

so for days I’ve been using this thing in that condition. It seems to still work though, but I guess these are unreliable readings then

Last edited by Carabinerx; Jul 29, 2020 at 03:15 PM.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2020 | 02:32 PM
  #29  
97grand4.0's Avatar
CF Veteran
5 Year Member
Liked
Loved
Community Favorite
 
Joined: Nov 2015
Posts: 2,856
Likes: 201
From: syracuse ny
Year: 1997
Model: Grand Cherokee (ZJ)
Engine: 4.0, new lifters valve job with new springs and exhaust valves, preload set with shims
Default

unreliable is an overstatement.
Reply
Old Jul 30, 2020 | 07:20 AM
  #30  
Carabinerx's Avatar
Thread Starter
Member
 
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 102
Likes: 5
From: NYC
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4L
Default

Ok, broke out another multimeter, got 1.56mA from negative terminal to negative post, which actually seems a little low now! Haha

Last edited by Carabinerx; Jul 30, 2020 at 07:26 AM.
Reply



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:20 PM.