Electric wires problem
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Electric wires problem
Hey everyone
this is my first post so I hope I'm doing this right
this is my first post so I hope I'm doing this right
i got an xj 2000 sport. I found out these 3 cut wires in the passage side door wiring harness. I wanted to fix them but I didn't know what these wires for. so I'm seeking help if anyone has information on them
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First, Welcome!
Next, you have a double post (2 posts, same time stamp, same content). Unless you edit/delete one or a mod merges them, you may get answers in both threads. (no worries, it happens).
Next, What, if anything, is not working on the door. The door bundle contains the wiring for power door locks, power windows, power mirrors, and door speakers. If everything you have still works, those are likely for a features you don't have. It's a bit hard to determine the colors giving the lighting and the angle. You can also pull the door panel off and see where the other ends lead.
Next, you have a double post (2 posts, same time stamp, same content). Unless you edit/delete one or a mod merges them, you may get answers in both threads. (no worries, it happens).
Next, What, if anything, is not working on the door. The door bundle contains the wiring for power door locks, power windows, power mirrors, and door speakers. If everything you have still works, those are likely for a features you don't have. It's a bit hard to determine the colors giving the lighting and the angle. You can also pull the door panel off and see where the other ends lead.
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But is it? The one in the A-post is white but can't see a tracer, the 2 in the door appear to be white/red (or is it brown?), the other white/pink(red?) but, in any event not the same.
Ordinarily, I tend to adopt Saudale's approach as a lot of people get concerned about unconnected wire, even though everything on their Jeep works - but these do appear to have been cut.
Ordinarily, I tend to adopt Saudale's approach as a lot of people get concerned about unconnected wire, even though everything on their Jeep works - but these do appear to have been cut.
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But is it? The one in the A-post is white but can't see a tracer, the 2 in the door appear to be white/red (or is it brown?), the other white/pink(red?) but, in any event not the same.
Ordinarily, I tend to adopt Saudale's approach as a lot of people get concerned about unconnected wire, even though everything on their Jeep works - but these do appear to have been cut.
Ordinarily, I tend to adopt Saudale's approach as a lot of people get concerned about unconnected wire, even though everything on their Jeep works - but these do appear to have been cut.
Not as simple as some wires cut or torn. More of a what the heck are these wires and where are their remains
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The service manual can help identify the wires. Looks like lightblue with a red stripe (LB/RD) which could be the speaker or the door lock control wires. Does everything work? Speaker, lock/unlock, etc? The best fix is to splice in new wire, starting from inside the body to inside the door so you don't have the splice getting flexed back and forth.
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download free FSM, check circuit diagram
remove inner kick panel
helps to loosen off door card and peer behind
those door wire bundles are a *****
I doubt they cut them for no reason (although they can just break)
circuit diagram !
remove inner kick panel
helps to loosen off door card and peer behind
those door wire bundles are a *****
I doubt they cut them for no reason (although they can just break)
circuit diagram !
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It's at times like this I miss British Standard wiring. This constant changing of colours between models, never mind makes, & from year to year I find confusing & downright irritating.
Just out of curiosity, does the FSM really have a diagram for every year of every model? By my reckoning, that would be in the region of 100 wiring diagrams.
Just out of curiosity, does the FSM really have a diagram for every year of every model? By my reckoning, that would be in the region of 100 wiring diagrams.
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messing with wire harnesses without checking the circuit diagram is....imprudent
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Thank you all for replying
First I'm sorry about the bubble post as I said this my first time using this forum.
i have 3 main problems in the interior of the Jeep
1- Dome light is always on and no its not the headlight switch i checked that already
2- the left side doors power luck is not working while the right side doors work fine
3- leftgate power luck is also not working
I wanted to replace the hole wire harness but I couldn't get my hands on new one specially hear in Saudi
I wounder if I could make new one myself but I don't know wear I could get all the plugs
First I'm sorry about the bubble post as I said this my first time using this forum.
i have 3 main problems in the interior of the Jeep
1- Dome light is always on and no its not the headlight switch i checked that already
2- the left side doors power luck is not working while the right side doors work fine
3- leftgate power luck is also not working
I wanted to replace the hole wire harness but I couldn't get my hands on new one specially hear in Saudi
I wounder if I could make new one myself but I don't know wear I could get all the plugs
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For the dome light, check the door jambs. There's a switch that turns on the interior lights when a door is open (connects to ground) Check them all. If any one of them in broken (and shorted), it will leave the interior lights on. There is also one in the liftgate but I believe it's part of the latch.
Do you hear any sound, like a clunk, from the left side when you lock/unlock? Can you see if the button moves at all? If there's no movement or sound, you likely have an electrical issue. Main lock control is the right side. A common issue is with the wire bundle that passes from the door jamb into the door itself. The wires inside can chafe and break or short due to all of the movement over the years. If you do have movement/sound, then it's likely a mechanical one. When you lock/unlock the door using the key or the button inside, does if it feels harder to turn/push compared to right side? The lock mechanism might just need a good cleaning and fresh lube. If they feel the same and you've cleaned and lubed, you might need a new actuator.
Same thing for the door lock for the Liftgate lock. A common issue is the wire bundle coming out of the roof and into the top of the liftgate. Like the bundle in the door, movement over the years can chafe the wires causing shorts or breaks.
As far as making your own, you certainly can. If they are any good, you can salvage your old connectors. There are tools to "de-pin" them. Otherwise, it can get pricey, buying new connectors and wiring (again, you could salvage a lot of the wiring).
Sorry but I have no idea how available these items are in Saudi.
Do you hear any sound, like a clunk, from the left side when you lock/unlock? Can you see if the button moves at all? If there's no movement or sound, you likely have an electrical issue. Main lock control is the right side. A common issue is with the wire bundle that passes from the door jamb into the door itself. The wires inside can chafe and break or short due to all of the movement over the years. If you do have movement/sound, then it's likely a mechanical one. When you lock/unlock the door using the key or the button inside, does if it feels harder to turn/push compared to right side? The lock mechanism might just need a good cleaning and fresh lube. If they feel the same and you've cleaned and lubed, you might need a new actuator.
Same thing for the door lock for the Liftgate lock. A common issue is the wire bundle coming out of the roof and into the top of the liftgate. Like the bundle in the door, movement over the years can chafe the wires causing shorts or breaks.
As far as making your own, you certainly can. If they are any good, you can salvage your old connectors. There are tools to "de-pin" them. Otherwise, it can get pricey, buying new connectors and wiring (again, you could salvage a lot of the wiring).
Sorry but I have no idea how available these items are in Saudi.
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All good stuff from Saudale (as, perhaps, we might expect) but just a couple of thoughts:-
Might be a good idea to deal with the cut/broken wires in the passenger door first, then see whether that fixes anything or what faults are left.
None of mine had/have dome lights (unless you count the one in the cargo area) but several others, so not sure if yours is the same but if there are other lights that come on at the same time, do they also stay on?
Did you turn the headlight switch the right way? You'd be surprised how many make that mistake & then complain it does/doesn't do what they expected.
Might be a good idea to deal with the cut/broken wires in the passenger door first, then see whether that fixes anything or what faults are left.
None of mine had/have dome lights (unless you count the one in the cargo area) but several others, so not sure if yours is the same but if there are other lights that come on at the same time, do they also stay on?
Did you turn the headlight switch the right way? You'd be surprised how many make that mistake & then complain it does/doesn't do what they expected.
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I think you will find Saudi heat has toasted youur wiring
Inspect the plastic sheathing in suspect areas
if it is all split, that is going to be problematic
In my opinion, it is not practically possible to replace XJ harness, to hard to get one, too difficult to replace
You may be able to fix what you got
I will try to post a link to the '96 FSM later, without it, you may as well give up
Inspect the plastic sheathing in suspect areas
if it is all split, that is going to be problematic
In my opinion, it is not practically possible to replace XJ harness, to hard to get one, too difficult to replace
You may be able to fix what you got
I will try to post a link to the '96 FSM later, without it, you may as well give up
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I'm not saying it was impossible to get FSM's before they were available on-line, but for the most part we managed without - & I seldom, if ever, look at mine now, so let's not discourage the poor guy before he's even started.
Do agree with not replacing the harness though, I think it's a rather tedious replace bits as & when exercise but there aren't so many electrical issues & few very obvious faults to practise on.
Do agree with not replacing the harness though, I think it's a rather tedious replace bits as & when exercise but there aren't so many electrical issues & few very obvious faults to practise on.
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I appreciate all the valuable information guys
I think I'm going to work on the wires first because I discovered 2 more dameged wire one on the driver side and the other in the leftgate
for the leftgate I think since I'm gonna work on the wires anyway I might as well change how the wires feed from the body to the leftgate into "s" configuration that might lessen the strain on the wires over time
I think I'm going to work on the wires first because I discovered 2 more dameged wire one on the driver side and the other in the leftgate
for the leftgate I think since I'm gonna work on the wires anyway I might as well change how the wires feed from the body to the leftgate into "s" configuration that might lessen the strain on the wires over time