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Old 02-16-2010, 10:28 PM
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I have a 95 xj with the 4.0 HO. I am wanting to swap my bad stock auto tranny for a 700r4 with both the engine to tranny adapter and tranny to transfer case adapter from novak along with their stage II 700r4. I noticed how they talked about either a 21 or 23 spline count. Is their a way to tell what I have without breaking the marriage between the tranny and transfer case right now. Like certain years have certain count, etc... Also has anyone done this swap? I heard the mpg from the overdrive are great. just wanted some info before calling Novak. Thanks for the help.
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Identification
  • The AW4 has a removable bellhousing.
  • The case is smaller in diameter than most automatics, and features cast-in ribbing down the rear half of the case.
  • The bell housing for the AMC 4.0L I6 engine has a port for the crank position sensor.
  • The earlier Jeep AW4 has a 21 spline output shaft for connecting to the transfer case input shaft.
  • With the release of the HO 4.0L in the 1991 the AW4 was upgraded to a 23 spline output shaft.
  • The AW4 may be identified as model #40-30LE for 4wd versions. and as model #30-43LE for 2wd versions.
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thanks, I was hoping it was that easy.
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Why on earth would you want to Swap an AW-4 out fot a TH700R4?? The AW-4 is just as stout, requires no expensive adaptors, fits perfectly in the tranny tunnel of your XJ and is about half the size and weight. 700R4s are huge and I'm guessing you'll have to do a lot of "massaging" to make it fit. Kind of like pulling the infamous Jeep 4.0 HO and putting in a V-8. Really overkill and not necessary. Just my humble two bits.
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so if it's twice as long how do they get it to fit inbetween the engine and transfercase plus the thickness of the adapters? I am just shooting ideas around in my head. I was gonna price an AW-4 as well but if it was around 2800 I was gonna go with the 700r4 since that's the same price. even if the AW-4 was 2400 wouldn't an overdrive be worth it? I am not so sure on the fit.
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Whats the overdrive on the 700?
I think the AW4 has a 0.75:1 ratio in 4th ("overdrive"), Not to mention a TC lockup. IIRC, the TH700 does not have TC lockup.
I would stick with the AW4, you can find one at the junkyard for ~200 bucks, throw it in a be all set for another 300,000 mi...
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alright, I'm following you. I wasn't thinking clearly. I will defiantely just toss another aw-4 in. thanks for setting me straight. another newbie question. what is a TC lockup and what does it do?

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Torque Converter lockup. Couples the transmission directly to the engine, kinda like a manual trans. Increases MPG and Lowers energy loss in the transmission. Its that "shift" you feel at 45mph, where the RPMs drop by like 3-500 rpm.
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Lock-up torque converters

As described above, pumping losses within the torque converter reduce efficiency and generate waste heat. In modern automotive applications, this problem is commonly avoided by use of a lock-up clutch that physically links the pump and turbine, effectively changing the converter into a purely mechanical coupling. The result is no slippage, and virtually no power loss.
The first automotive application of the lock-up principle was Packard's Ultramatic transmission, introduced in 1949, which locked up the converter at cruising speeds, unlocking when the throttle was floored for quick acceleration or as the vehicle slowed down. This feature was also present in some Borg-Warner transmissions produced during the 1950s. It fell out of favor in subsequent years due to its extra complexity and cost. In the late 1970s lock-up clutches started to reappear in response to demands for improved fuel economy, and are now nearly universal in automotive applications.
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I'll just go ahead and provide my input from experience. The 700R4s was one of the worst transmissions I have ever had the displeasure of owning.

Simply put, the AW4 crushes it in terms of durability, reliability and straight up design. Please don't waste your money and poison your jeep by putting in a 700R4. I can send you a list of places that will have used AW4s b/w 300-800 dollars.
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