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Old 10-08-2012, 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lead Foot
I stand by my statement and detailed explanation. Oil capacity ALONE is not the ONLY reason or even the MAIN reason that remote reservoirs were designed and currently used today in the offroad community. I didnt say you were 100 percent WRONG or that your statement was incorrect at all. Just that your explanation was majorly lacking and summed into "the cooler the shock, less fade" when there is alot more to it then that.
okay. I simply added a link to show where my info is coming from and to give the OP some research material.

I'm on 5160 series shocks and get a great ride both on and off road with them.
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And unless you are racing baja or something. You can just run air and not nitrogen.

Try that one on for size
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A very good read on Air-Shocks vs, Nitrogen Charged shocks.
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=483221
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
And unless you are racing baja or something. You can just run air and not nitrogen.

Try that one on for size
Regular old atmosphere has water in it. That's a no no for a closed system.
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Regular old atmosphere has water in it. That's a no no for a closed system.
Doesn't hurt a thing. Anyone who takes care of their high dollar shocks also services them at regular intervals. The only negative effect of air is the inconsistency of pressures over a long period of extreme use. For short time spans you won't see an increase in pressure of over 20lbs or so with a shock charged at 175 lbs on the average.

I am not telling anyone to run air. I am just saying that if you had to you could.
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No one runs air bc there's no reason to. The shock is made for nitro, why run something that isn't as good just bc "you can"?
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Originally Posted by 93XJLI
No one runs air bc there's no reason to. The shock is made for nitro, why run something that isn't as good just bc "you can"?
Because I take that good ol shock and tear it apart, then I test and tune, change valving, etc.....

For $ reasons I test and tune with air. Many performance shops do this.

I just threw it out there as kind of an "oh yea!" Did not really want to expand on it. But I guess all info can be good.
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Never heard of anyone testing with air. Why would you test with a gas that will behave differently than what you would end up using? Every racer I've seen, on road and off, carries a bottle of nitrogen when they're tuning shocks.
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Originally Posted by ktmracer419
98% of all wheelers will never get their shocks hot enough to experience significant shock fade.

but they do look cooler...

This. I got my piggy backs because they look cool!
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Originally Posted by 93XJLI
Never heard of anyone testing with air. Why would you test with a gas that will behave differently than what you would end up using? Every racer I've seen, on road and off, carries a bottle of nitrogen when they're tuning shocks.
Because it does not make a difference with testing and tuning during short runs.
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
And unless you are racing baja or something. You can just run air and not nitrogen.
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Because it does not make a difference with testing and tuning during short runs.
so you went from running air all the time in your shocks, to just testing with air.

while you can put air in them, and they will function, they will wreak havoc in the shock over time. air has water in it, water= corrosion. I'll stick to nitrogen.
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Originally Posted by ktmracer419
so you went from running air all the time in your shocks, to just testing with air.

while you can put air in them, and they will function, they will wreak havoc in the shock over time. air has water in it, water= corrosion. I'll stick to nitrogen.

Not over the time span of a couple of months. What are you corroding? An aluminum chamber? You could fill 1/8 of the chamber up with water. Doesn't make a difference. It does not collapse all the way. Its only meant as a cushion for the oil. As far as that goes you could fill it up all the way and revalve the shock accordingly. Its not rocket science, its a shock.

Again I am not telling anyone to run air. Just saying its possible.

This is entertaining though.
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
Not over the time span of a couple of months. What are you corroding? An aluminum chamber? You could fill 1/8 of the chamber up with water. Doesn't make a difference. It does not collapse all the way. Its only meant as a cushion for the oil. As far as that goes you could fill it up all the way and revalve the shock accordingly. Its not rocket science, its a shock.

Again I am not telling anyone to run air. Just saying its possible.

This is entertaining though.
I know how a shock works.

Then don't mention running air.

Air is simply not good for shocks. ask any shock manufacturer. And with nitrogen being cheap and readily available I don't know why anyone would want to. I get my shocks and airbumps charged for free. They don't take much anyway. Who would drop several hundred dollars(and more) on a nice set of shocks then shorten their lifespan over a matter of a few bucks?
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Originally Posted by ktmracer419
I know how a shock works.

Then don't mention running air.

Air is simply not good for shocks. ask any shock manufacturer. And with nitrogen being cheap and readily available I don't know why anyone would want to. I get my shocks and airbumps charged for free. They don't take much anyway. Who would drop several hundred dollars(and more) on a nice set of shocks then shorten their lifespan over a matter of a few bucks?
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