helmut

Wait a minute. You knew it was a trackbar for a TJ all this time?

jeepsurfer1

They have the same axle and mounting style, so instructions can be close if not the same

Trumpster

I was told by Rough Country that "it is the same track bar, it will work with no issues". It seemed wrong to me from the beginning, but I didn't really have a choice but to go with it until I could prove it was wrong. So yes, I "knew" this whole time, I just had to go through due diligence and prove that it wasn't the right part.

GRIMUS99XJ

Trac Bars for XJ, TJ and ZJ are all the same if using the TRE style trac bar, just like the pitman arms and sway bar links and bar pin eliminators and steering stabilizers and ....... You bought the double shear trac bar from IRO which will look different and have different angles and bends just like our double shear trac bar does. The double shear use a bracket on the upper mount that changes everything about the bar so in theory you are not comparing apples to apples there. I have no doubt that whomever you sell the bar you originally bought to will have no issues installing it. Im sorry that you had these issues and wish they could of been worked out but Im at a loss I just dont know what to do or say that will change anything. As always all my lines of contact are open should you or anyone have any questions or concerns


thanks
Jason

OEJ

Jason.
I had no issues with my tracbar or leafs. they are 3" leafs and my shackle angle is fine and my tracbar went on without a hitch.

Jason, on different note while i have you here can you pm a price for a full 4.56 gear set and D30 carrier with 2 master install kits for my 99 sport aw4 auto and 8.25corp.
shipped to 08332. please sir. thank you.

GRIMUS99XJ

PM sent

OEJ

ur awesome sir. thank you.

jeepsurfer1

Your heeps geting big, sure you don't want 4.88? I would sleep on it....

Trumpster

The new double sheer bracket lines up in the exact same place as the OEM mount did, it simply turns the mounting hole from vertical to horizontal. If you want I'll go buy a tie rod end for this IRO track bar and put the factory bracket back on to prove the point. The angles from mounting point to mounting point are no different.

I sent you an email yesterday so I'll be waiting for a response back there or I will call you at some point in the next day or two if I can find some time where I'm not on the phone during business hours.

OEJ, I had the 4.5'' leaf packs originally and they were about 2.5'' too short. Once I got the 3'' leaf pack and 1.5'' lift shackle things bolted up beautifully on the rear. There is a whole thread about the RC 4.5'' leaf packs being too short.

McCaffrey

It's possible it's just a defect rather than the wrong part number. i.e. the fixed end welded on at the wrong angle.

GRIMUS99XJ

looking at the IRO t bar I hope you purchased a pitman arm from them or someone as you will have to have one to run that t-bar. On a 4.5 lift a drop pitman arm in typically not needed however when you run a double shear with a frame side drop on it you have to drop the pitman arm or death wobble will be an issue. That is the reason we do not use that style trac bar in our 4.5 x series kit. Not saying anything bad about theirs cause ours is the same way its all in the geometry of the steering. Also if you would take a look at their standard TRE style track bar they also have it listed for a TJ/XJ/ZJ. Not picking on you but just want all the other users to know that all be it IRO may have a beefier bar its still the same design as ours when comparing apples to apples. You wouldnt be able to get a new TRE for the bar you have to show the angle is better cause the bar would than be to short.

Trumpster

The design is NOT the same when comparing apples to apples. The double sheer TB is the SAME bar with a different end and mounting bracket. Their bar is straight, the RC bar CLEARLY is angled. Look up at the pictures I posted earlier, imagine a TRE on the IRO TB and there you have it, their non double sheer TB.

It's not a big deal to admit that something doesn't fit right! If it didn't work, it didn't work. There is a very clear design difference between RC and IRO even with just the TRE on the IRO bar. Their TB is a straight line from mounting point to mounting point and the RC bar is angled.

As far as death wobble goes, I have none. Slight driveline vibes at the moment but nothing near death wobble. My suspension angles are fine and I have minimal to no bump steer.

If you want me to prove any of this let me know, I'll take pictures, videos, measurements, and make write ups. I'm not trying to be argumentative here, but looking at what I've laid out in this thread, no one here can deny that there is distinct angle difference between stock and RC track bars where there is no angle difference between the stock and IRO track bar.

Here's the TRE TB from IRO

http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merch...egory_Code=XSP

And here's what it takes to make it double sheer

http://www.ironrockoffroad.com/Merch...egory_Code=XSP

No angle change at all. Just changes the mounting plane of the bolt to the frame side of the Jeep from vertical to horizontal. Apples to apples.

EDIT: Forgot to add that no, the TB would not be too short with the TRE on it. I got the 3.5'' to 7'' of lift TB and the TRE could simply be screwed in place of the "bushing mount" that's there now for the double sheer mounting.

OEJ

"OEJ, I had the 4.5'' leaf packs originally and they were about 2.5'' too short. Once I got the 3'' leaf pack and 1.5'' lift shackle things bolted up beautifully on the rear. There is a whole thread about the RC 4.5'' leaf packs being too short. "



yeah i was apart of that too,but it wasfor 4.5 packs. i have 3" packs with 1.5" shackels. i had no issues either.

JEEPSURFER.
i was thinking about 4.88s but i thought it would be overkill. Plus Jason is giving me a good price on them shipped and i dont think they carry 4.88s, atleast its not on there website.

how-about it Jason? do you guys carry 4.88s and would it be the same price you quoted me??? if so i think i would rather do that.

Solomon7

FWIW I've been running an IRO double shear TB with drop bracket on my XJ at 3" without a pitman drop with absolutely NO death wobble whatsoever at any speed.

OEJ

Dude. he said 4.5" not 3" thus...irrelevant.