884x4

Well considering its made out of 1.5 od .25" wall Dom 7/8th ruff stuff heims, and the brackets are welded to the axle and unibody shown in the pic above, I would say it's about as rigid as a Catholic school teacher

884x4

I went from a 10 degree caster to 8 degree caster, to 5 degree caster and now to 6 degree caster. It death wobbles all the way through. Probably not going to register it now that the registration is out.
I'm not putting mine or more importantly other people's lives in jeapordy out on the road

holycaveman

I have had to replace them quite frequently. Yours may be just fine. But there is a reason the stock one is rubber mounted and lasts over a hundred thousand miles. Not saying it's better for off road at all
But don't overlook something just because you think it's heavy duty. Make certain there is no movement.

884x4

Heims allow zero movement. Yes, bushings last longer then Heims driving on pavement but there is absolutely zero play in the track bar, steering hubs ball joints ucas lca's steering box or even shocks. But that's all brand spankin new anyways because I chased a problem that seems to have no end.
I'm most likely not spending another dime on this jeep trying to fix the DW. I've dropped too much money in it

holycaveman

That. Sucks. On the caster I am at about 3 degree positive. Where the back of the pinion at the shaft is angled towards the ground. Tow is slightly out 1/8.

If you have done all this already then it sucks you still have it. Problem is inherent in most all jeeps including jk's. One small thing can set it off.

884x4

Lol, I'm not gonna do that to my pinion angle, I've been all over the place with the caster and it hasn't changed the wobble. I've never seen a death wobble case as bad as mine with how much I've put into this thing

holycaveman

Well I feel for you. My pinion angle is like that for off road mainly, better turning. It's retired from a dd. But i did have horrid DW. And have absolutely no trace now even with these crappy 35" swampers.

holycaveman

I followed this decked out wrangler out of the trail and about 10 miles to the trailers. Long arms, stretched, etc... the guy could not go over 25mph and the front end shook so bad I thought it would break off the jeep. He said everything was new.

But his was trail only so he didn't care.

884x4

Thanks man, and that sucks for him! Glad it was his trail rig

884x4

So I talked to Kevin at Kevin's off road a bit.
He told me sometimes with the size of tires I'm running if you have done everything I have done you just need a steering dampener.
Here's some of the writing he wrote back to me
Regarding Steering Stabilizers…it sounds as if you’ve been the recipient of BS. The “Internet Gurus” would bet their first-born kid, that steering stabilizers are truly unnecessary, and a band-aid, eh? Totally incorrect info, regurgitated over and again, makes it seem like a true story. Unfortunately, that info comes from folks who are not Physics majors…

Steering Dampeners change the inherent harmonic resonation speed of the Jeep/Dodge/Ford coil-sprung front suspension, designed to dampen enough “natural and normal” oscillation, such that Death Wobble is never triggered. Steering Stabilizers are installed on every coil-sprung vehicle, from the factory…yet these guys would have you believe that removing them is going to make things better, not worse, lol. The larger the rotating mass (read: heavy tires/wheels), the more dampening from the steering stabilizer you need, my friend.

Should I just go ahead and throw my stabilizer on the new one ton otk?
Or is there any other things I can check?
Kind of considering chopping this thing up and making it a trail rig...I feel as if death wobble has beaten me lol

CanXJ

I have a small wobble from 55 to about 60 MPH. I know it is from my tires, it started when I put the 33" tires on. Have to use beads because of the rims i have. Fine when I am running my 31" tires which I know are balanced properly. Do you have a set of smaller/balanced tires that you could try?

I would try the steering stabilizer, you have nothing to lose by trying it.

884x4

I wish I had a set I could try, unfortunately for me all my buddies and my brother are into full sized trucks so different bolt pattern lol.
But yeah I have nothing else to try so I'll probably try it, just makes me nervous if it does stop it cause it makes me think something else is messed up and I'm covering it

holycaveman

Of course the steering stabilizer is important. I don't know who would say otherwise?

Also just some information. I was reading a build on here. The guy has about the same lift as you. Except he had a stock trackbar. He switched to the same trackbar you did. He said as soon as he did he got DW. I am just reporting to you what another person on here noticed. Food for thought.

884x4

I can see why a stabilizer would have it's importance, but this death wobble is horrible, worst I've ever seen/felt.
No steering stabilizer shouldn't cause this in my opinion, I'm gonna try to rig one I have laying around up today.
And I dould never imagine why making an over axle track bar would ever cause dw.
I can't switch back to stock now I chopped it up lol

holycaveman

My steering stabilizer blew on my Cherokee. As soon as it did I noticed it. But in my opinion the stabilizer does not cause DW