4 speed or 5?

spikeypuck · 11-14-2009, 07:39 PM

I'm curious. I have a 4 cylinder with a 4 speed manual. Anyone else i've talked has a 5 speed. Does anyone else out there have a 4 speed? Or am i just a little off as usual?

nick_n_ii · 11-14-2009, 08:12 PM

What year is it?

I know that back in the early years the 5 speed was a option and the 4 speed was standard.

But I think that was only in the first 3 years of the XJ..

spikeypuck · 11-14-2009, 08:51 PM

its an 85.

4.3L XJ · 11-14-2009, 09:10 PM

I have a T-4, which is what you have on my shop floor. 84-5 Jeeps had either as an option.

whowey · 11-15-2009, 08:35 AM

There were two 4-speeds that appeared in the XJ/MJs. The AX-4 which is the same as an AX-5 just lacking the overdrive. And the T-4 which was a toyota transmission. It was quite a bit more rare

spikeypuck · 11-15-2009, 08:56 AM

Neat. I sent in my info for a build sheet on friday evening. So mabey i'll find out which one i have.

4.3L XJ · 11-15-2009, 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whowey

There were two 4-speeds that appeared in the XJ/MJs. The AX-4 which is the same as an AX-5 just lacking the overdrive. And the T-4 which was a toyota transmission. It was quite a bit more rare

Umm, the T4 and T5 are Borg/Warner tranys. Very American. The T5 was also used in Fords and Chevys. The Toyota tranny was the AW4 auto behind the 4.0L.

spikeypuck · 11-15-2009, 10:35 AM

So going off what you guys have told me so far. I did a little research. Got under the jeep, and see i have an NP 207 transfer case. And being i have an 85 it would be bolted to an ax-4. I found this about the ax-4... " Note that there is an AX4 transmission in early XJ models, which is essentially the AX5, minus its overdriven fifth gear."

And basically to sum them both up was this. "GM
Because of the transmission's weak service record behind even stock Jeep powerplants, we do not offer any conversion to V6 or V8 power. This is essentially a small car transmission in a truck. The customer's efforts and funds are best spent converting to a stronger transmission during the engine upgrade."

So that kinda sucks... I was just curious on how many others may have had a 4 speed....

Eh im on my way to the u pull it anyway. See if i can find any goodies..

4.3L XJ · 11-15-2009, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spikeypuck

So going off what you guys have told me so far. I did a little research. Got under the jeep, and see i have an NP 207 transfer case. And being i have an 85 it would be bolted to an ax-4. I found this about the ax-4... " Note that there is an AX4 transmission in early XJ models, which is essentially the AX5, minus its overdriven fifth gear."

And basically to sum them both up was this. "GM
Because of the transmission's weak service record behind even stock Jeep powerplants, we do not offer any conversion to V6 or V8 power. This is essentially a small car transmission in a truck. The customer's efforts and funds are best spent converting to a stronger transmission during the engine upgrade."

So that kinda sucks... I was just curious on how many others may have had a 4 speed....

Eh im on my way to the u pull it anyway. See if i can find any goodies..

The AX4 and 5 are not strong trannys, but the T5 was offered behind several GM engines up to 160 hp. They are stronger than the AX trannys and in my opinion shift smoother and easier.

ktmracer419 · 11-16-2009, 07:36 AM

my comanche is a 4 speed

with highway gears ftl

93XJLI · 11-16-2009, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktmracer419

my comanche is a 4 speed

with highway gears ftl

i can attest to it's slowness having driven it.

ktmracer419 · 11-16-2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 93XJLI

i can attest to it's slowness having driven it.

it will smoke your scoobydoo in autox in 2nd gear

spikeypuck · 11-16-2009, 07:47 PM

Slow??? So being able to down shift to 3rd and pass a volkswagon Doesn't mean i'm going fast???

11-14-2009, 07:39 PM	#1
spikeypuck Oh, poo!!! Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 170 My Photos 1985 Cherokee Year: 1985 Model: Cherokee Engine: puny lil 4 cyld... 2,5 litres, I-4, carburettor Transmission: 4-Speed, Manual Transmission Transfer Case: part time transfer case Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: dana 35 Tires: mickey thompson baja claw. 31's Lift Specifications: 3" rough country Misc Accessories: chopped. full roll cage, and brush guard on front. will be making my changes soon. i just got her	4 speed or 5? I'm curious. I have a 4 cylinder with a 4 speed manual. Anyone else i've talked has a 5 speed. Does anyone else out there have a 4 speed? Or am i just a little off as usual? __________________ I told wifey i need a winch for christmas. So when I break down, I can use the light poles to get home..

11-14-2009, 08:12 PM	#2
nick_n_ii Anti-Obama, Pro-American Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Burtchville Twp., MI Posts: 5,247 My Photos 1989 Cherokee Year: 1989 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.0L Transmission: AW4 Transfer Case: NP231 Front Axle: D30 open 3.55's Rear Axle: D44 open 3.55's Tires: 31X10.5-15's Lift Specifications: 4.25" Misc Accessories: CB and custom trimming	What year is it? I know that back in the early years the 5 speed was a option and the 4 speed was standard. But I think that was only in the first 3 years of the XJ.. __________________ '89 Cherokee Laredo 5" RC lift, 31" GoodYear Authority AT's, NP231 T-case, HD steering, RC double shear track bar, HPD30 and D44 axles... www.adv4x4online.com / www.1stopgamer.com

11-14-2009, 08:51 PM	#3
spikeypuck Oh, poo!!! Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 170 My Photos 1985 Cherokee Year: 1985 Model: Cherokee Engine: puny lil 4 cyld... 2,5 litres, I-4, carburettor Transmission: 4-Speed, Manual Transmission Transfer Case: part time transfer case Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: dana 35 Tires: mickey thompson baja claw. 31's Lift Specifications: 3" rough country Misc Accessories: chopped. full roll cage, and brush guard on front. will be making my changes soon. i just got her	its an 85. __________________ I told wifey i need a winch for christmas. So when I break down, I can use the light poles to get home..

11-15-2009, 08:35 AM	#5
whowey CF Veteran Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 1,472 My Photos 90 Cherokee Year: 90 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.0 Transmission: AW-4 Transfer Case: Np 231 Front Axle: D-30 Rear Axle: D-35 Tires: 33 X 12.5X15 Lift Specifications: RE 3.5" Super Ride Misc Accessories: Uniden CB, Detroit E-Z locker,Amsoil	There were two 4-speeds that appeared in the XJ/MJs. The AX-4 which is the same as an AX-5 just lacking the overdrive. And the T-4 which was a toyota transmission. It was quite a bit more rare __________________ AMSOIL independent dealer Contact me for individual project pricing

11-15-2009, 08:56 AM	#6
spikeypuck Oh, poo!!! Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 170 My Photos 1985 Cherokee Year: 1985 Model: Cherokee Engine: puny lil 4 cyld... 2,5 litres, I-4, carburettor Transmission: 4-Speed, Manual Transmission Transfer Case: part time transfer case Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: dana 35 Tires: mickey thompson baja claw. 31's Lift Specifications: 3" rough country Misc Accessories: chopped. full roll cage, and brush guard on front. will be making my changes soon. i just got her	Neat. I sent in my info for a build sheet on friday evening. So mabey i'll find out which one i have. __________________ I told wifey i need a winch for christmas. So when I break down, I can use the light poles to get home..

11-14-2009, 09:10 PM	#4
4.3L XJ CF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chico, CA Posts: 2,143 My Photos 1986 Cherokee Year: 1986 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.3L with headers and full 3" exhaust system Transmission: 4L60E with manual lockout. Transfer Case: Atlas 4 speed with 2.7, 3.8 and 10.38 Front Axle: D30 going to Toyota 8.25 with ARB Rear Axle: D35 going to Toyota 8.25 with ARB Tires: 31X10.50X15 going to 38s Lift Specifications: 7.5" RE coils on homegrown longarm, Tereflex high steer, bastard pack rear. Misc Accessories: Warn 9.5ti, a bag of goodies and custom onboard air	I have a T-4, which is what you have on my shop floor. 84-5 Jeeps had either as an option.

11-15-2009, 10:35 AM	#8
spikeypuck Oh, poo!!! Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 170 My Photos 1985 Cherokee Year: 1985 Model: Cherokee Engine: puny lil 4 cyld... 2,5 litres, I-4, carburettor Transmission: 4-Speed, Manual Transmission Transfer Case: part time transfer case Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: dana 35 Tires: mickey thompson baja claw. 31's Lift Specifications: 3" rough country Misc Accessories: chopped. full roll cage, and brush guard on front. will be making my changes soon. i just got her	So going off what you guys have told me so far. I did a little research. Got under the jeep, and see i have an NP 207 transfer case. And being i have an 85 it would be bolted to an ax-4. I found this about the ax-4... " Note that there is an AX4 transmission in early XJ models, which is essentially the AX5, minus its overdriven fifth gear." And basically to sum them both up was this. "GM Because of the transmission's weak service record behind even stock Jeep powerplants, we do not offer any conversion to V6 or V8 power. This is essentially a small car transmission in a truck. The customer's efforts and funds are best spent converting to a stronger transmission during the engine upgrade." So that kinda sucks... I was just curious on how many others may have had a 4 speed.... Eh im on my way to the u pull it anyway. See if i can find any goodies.. __________________ I told wifey i need a winch for christmas. So when I break down, I can use the light poles to get home..

11-16-2009, 07:36 AM	#10
ktmracer419 ::CF Moderator:: Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,999 My Photos	my comanche is a 4 speed with highway gears ftl __________________ www.SISoffroad.com

11-16-2009, 07:47 PM	#13
spikeypuck Oh, poo!!! Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 170 My Photos 1985 Cherokee Year: 1985 Model: Cherokee Engine: puny lil 4 cyld... 2,5 litres, I-4, carburettor Transmission: 4-Speed, Manual Transmission Transfer Case: part time transfer case Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: dana 35 Tires: mickey thompson baja claw. 31's Lift Specifications: 3" rough country Misc Accessories: chopped. full roll cage, and brush guard on front. will be making my changes soon. i just got her	Slow??? So being able to down shift to 3rd and pass a volkswagon Doesn't mean i'm going fast??? __________________ I told wifey i need a winch for christmas. So when I break down, I can use the light poles to get home..

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