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Lol, don't know yet
Naw, it's gonna be worth it to have a super beefy otk steering system...
I mean I got the steering for 220$ shipped and then I had to get the brackets and heims for the over axle track bar which was like 140$ shipped and throw in 100$ for the drill bits, some hardware maybe and misc things for the swap.
So for less than 500$ it's definitely gonna be worth it IMHO
Naw, it's gonna be worth it to have a super beefy otk steering system...
I mean I got the steering for 220$ shipped and then I had to get the brackets and heims for the over axle track bar which was like 140$ shipped and throw in 100$ for the drill bits, some hardware maybe and misc things for the swap.
So for less than 500$ it's definitely gonna be worth it IMHO
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Lol, don't know yet
Naw, it's gonna be worth it to have a super beefy otk steering system...
I mean I got the steering for 220$ shipped and then I had to get the brackets and heims for the over axle track bar which was like 140$ shipped and throw in 100$ for the drill bits, some hardware maybe and misc things for the swap.
So for less than 500$ it's definitely gonna be worth it IMHO
Naw, it's gonna be worth it to have a super beefy otk steering system...
I mean I got the steering for 220$ shipped and then I had to get the brackets and heims for the over axle track bar which was like 140$ shipped and throw in 100$ for the drill bits, some hardware maybe and misc things for the swap.
So for less than 500$ it's definitely gonna be worth it IMHO
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Got the axle side bracket
Got 5/8ths grade 8 hardware for the heims. The heims are 5/8 but the holes in the brackets were 1/2. So I spent about 30 min drilling the existing mounting holes to 5/8ths.
Ready for welding!
Got 5/8ths grade 8 hardware for the heims. The heims are 5/8 but the holes in the brackets were 1/2. So I spent about 30 min drilling the existing mounting holes to 5/8ths.
Ready for welding!
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With I would have had frame stiffeners before doing this but oh well. I can reinforce later around it I guess
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make sure that 1/4" piece is in an L shape and goes on the bottom and side of the frame rail. the spot you sanded off is awful far forward. your track bar will sit crooked. I used that same bracket and it was too outboard and made contact with the coil spring. huge pain in the *** cutting it all off and redoing it with a new one. moral of the story, double check that everything clears before burning it in
oh and you're drilling those brackets the hard way. you'll speed up your drill time by getting yourself a bessey clamp and drilling vertically. much easier, for me at least
oh and you're drilling those brackets the hard way. you'll speed up your drill time by getting yourself a bessey clamp and drilling vertically. much easier, for me at least
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make sure that 1/4" piece is in an L shape and goes on the bottom and side of the frame rail. the spot you sanded off is awful far forward. your track bar will sit crooked. I used that same bracket and it was too outboard and made contact with the coil spring. huge pain in the *** cutting it all off and redoing it with a new one. moral of the story, double check that everything clears before burning it in
oh and you're drilling those brackets the hard way. you'll speed up your drill time by getting yourself a bessey clamp and drilling vertically. much easier, for me at least
oh and you're drilling those brackets the hard way. you'll speed up your drill time by getting yourself a bessey clamp and drilling vertically. much easier, for me at least
Is there a bracket that's better I should look into or go ahead and tack it in place and try it?
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I "turned" the frame side bracket a bit to compensate for the angle in the frame rail. It was pointing the frame side bracket towards the front If the front passenger tire when it should point towards the axle side bracket parallell with the axle.
Here's how I did it.
Put it in the vise and cut about 5/16ths of an inch off the frontward frame brace only.
That turned it and pointed it right where it needs to point.
I'm gonna set it out far enough to where it barely doesn't hit the coil spring at full compression on the drivers side.
Only thing is it's about 5-6" from the tie rod at ride height. Hopefully I don't have that much up travel to where when I'm wheeling the frame side bracket doesn't hit the top of the tie rod...we will see though
Here's how I did it.
Put it in the vise and cut about 5/16ths of an inch off the frontward frame brace only.
That turned it and pointed it right where it needs to point.
I'm gonna set it out far enough to where it barely doesn't hit the coil spring at full compression on the drivers side.
Only thing is it's about 5-6" from the tie rod at ride height. Hopefully I don't have that much up travel to where when I'm wheeling the frame side bracket doesn't hit the top of the tie rod...we will see though
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that looks better. maybe it will work fine I'm not too sure the physics of a crooked track bar.
I ended up having to use this bracket and shaving it down about an inch then mount it flat to the bottom of my frame. and I also cut off the 3rd mounting hole. my track bar only comes out to 29.5" long which really isn't long enough for my taste
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/PANCEN.html
I ended up having to use this bracket and shaving it down about an inch then mount it flat to the bottom of my frame. and I also cut off the 3rd mounting hole. my track bar only comes out to 29.5" long which really isn't long enough for my taste
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/PANCEN.html
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that looks better. maybe it will work fine I'm not too sure the physics of a crooked track bar.
I ended up having to use this bracket and shaving it down about an inch then mount it flat to the bottom of my frame. and I also cut off the 3rd mounting hole. my track bar only comes out to 29.5" long which really isn't long enough for my taste
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/PANCEN.html
I ended up having to use this bracket and shaving it down about an inch then mount it flat to the bottom of my frame. and I also cut off the 3rd mounting hole. my track bar only comes out to 29.5" long which really isn't long enough for my taste
http://www.ruffstuffspecialties.com/catalog/PANCEN.html
Why do you say your trackbar is too short for your liking?
Thought it diddnt really matter the length as long as the drag link angles were the same and as the track bar angle
Which if I run the bracket outborded instead of like yours I will have an almost matching length for both. Within an inch or two of each other
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So I got the ota trackbar done! Love the way it drives now, thigh term steering and no more bump steer!
Still death wobbles like hell after 40mph...lol
So I lowered my tire psi on the 35s to where the whole tread touches the ground. It's about 24psi.
Now the rears try to wobble?!?!? I'm thinking about getting rid of these km2s... That's the only explanation, what do y'all think?
I might try one last ditch effort to balance the tires but I've dumped almost a grand into this thing trying to sort this wobble out. She may get parked for a while
I'll get pics up of how I ended up doing the ota track bar
Still death wobbles like hell after 40mph...lol
So I lowered my tire psi on the 35s to where the whole tread touches the ground. It's about 24psi.
Now the rears try to wobble?!?!? I'm thinking about getting rid of these km2s... That's the only explanation, what do y'all think?
I might try one last ditch effort to balance the tires but I've dumped almost a grand into this thing trying to sort this wobble out. She may get parked for a while
I'll get pics up of how I ended up doing the ota track bar
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Had to rig up my steering stabilizer..got the idea from Kevin at Kevin's off road.
Heres his message to me.
Regarding Steering Stabilizers…it sounds as if you’ve been the recipient of BS. The “Internet Gurus” would bet their first-born kid, that steering stabilizers are truly unnecessary, and a band-aid, eh? Totally incorrect info, regurgitated over and again, makes it seem like a true story. Unfortunately, that info comes from folks who are not Physics majors…
Steering Dampeners change the inherent harmonic resonation speed of the Jeep/Dodge/Ford coil-sprung front suspension, designed to dampen enough “natural and normal” oscillation, such that Death Wobble is never triggered. Steering Stabilizers are installed on every coil-sprung vehicle, from the factory…yet these guys would have you believe that removing them is going to make things better, not worse, lol. The larger the rotating mass (read: heavy tires/wheels), the more dampening from the steering stabilizer you need, my friend.
So here's what I did
And because I cut the stock stabilizer bracket off to fit the otk I just mounted the stabilizer two holes under my ota track bar
Death wobble gone but a serrious shake in the tires at 50mph.
At least it's drivable...now I don't have to threaten braking out the cut off wheel and turning her into a trail rig anymore
Heres his message to me.
Regarding Steering Stabilizers…it sounds as if you’ve been the recipient of BS. The “Internet Gurus” would bet their first-born kid, that steering stabilizers are truly unnecessary, and a band-aid, eh? Totally incorrect info, regurgitated over and again, makes it seem like a true story. Unfortunately, that info comes from folks who are not Physics majors…
Steering Dampeners change the inherent harmonic resonation speed of the Jeep/Dodge/Ford coil-sprung front suspension, designed to dampen enough “natural and normal” oscillation, such that Death Wobble is never triggered. Steering Stabilizers are installed on every coil-sprung vehicle, from the factory…yet these guys would have you believe that removing them is going to make things better, not worse, lol. The larger the rotating mass (read: heavy tires/wheels), the more dampening from the steering stabilizer you need, my friend.
So here's what I did
And because I cut the stock stabilizer bracket off to fit the otk I just mounted the stabilizer two holes under my ota track bar
Death wobble gone but a serrious shake in the tires at 50mph.
At least it's drivable...now I don't have to threaten braking out the cut off wheel and turning her into a trail rig anymore