External Roll cage...
08-15-2009, 04:33 PM
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some of the ones i like the most have the exo halo hoop with "A" pillars that drop down the outside and into thd front fenders. then there is a internal cage.
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08-16-2009, 09:44 AM
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i like the internal exo cages too....mine runs thru the roof behind the seats for my 4-point harnesses.....but the way i wheel, i needed as much coverage of the body as possible. i tend to slide into rocks and trees alot!!
08-17-2009, 12:25 PM
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that thing looks mean... maybe its just the setting... feel like the headless horseman should be in the background somewhere... lol... the intake looks cool but i dont know about how well it would work out...
08-17-2009, 12:56 PM
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my buddy is running his intake like that on his cj7 with a 4.0l. has been running it like that for 5 years with the only prob being....he has to replace the filter every 6 months. the sun takes a toll on it.
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08-17-2009, 01:18 PM
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hhmm its an idea i was thinking of sticking the cone right on the throttle body... i had my ZJ like this and it fit with the hood down... my XJ i dont think so... was thinking of cutting a square in the hood and running like a mini cowl over it... was affraid of weather so havent yet... thought about making it where i can spin it around also into a ram air if the weather was nice... maybe use magnets or something...
08-29-2009, 09:51 PM
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Boydballer92....if your driving is bad enough that your parents insist on a roll cage, perhaps you shouldn't drive lol.
I don't know you or your skill level but to me it sounds like if you're gonna do an exo cage you will need help fabricating, designing, etc. and you don't want to rely on just anyone (you can burn the paint while welding). you will need a tube bender to make it look good.
hopefully you're not planning an exo with no lift...that would look gay as aids.
I don't know you or your skill level but to me it sounds like if you're gonna do an exo cage you will need help fabricating, designing, etc. and you don't want to rely on just anyone (you can burn the paint while welding). you will need a tube bender to make it look good.
hopefully you're not planning an exo with no lift...that would look gay as aids.
08-29-2009, 10:58 PM
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what were you doing when you rolled your last truck?
my point is that whether you hit slippery surfaces, looked at/leaned over to get your cell phone/were texting/talking, changing the radio, talking to your passenger, eating/drinking, looking in directions other than your path of travel/just generally screwing around....you rolled the truck.
to me, unless said truck got rolled resulting from someone else causing an accident (i.e. colliding with your vehicle at extreme speeds/angles) that caused it to roll....the answer is not bigger and beefier. it's to learn how to drive properly, respectfully, and learn how to recover your vehicle in a bad situation.
a roll cage is not the answer to poor driving ability or poor habits. I really mean no offense by this...just coming from experience with friends who have rolled their vehicles...it is ALWAYS driver error not vehicle error. in some extreme circumstances a part may break causing loss of control etc...regardless, that too is driver error for lack of maintaining the vehicle. I can think of very few [realistic] reasons for a mechanical error to indefinitely cause a roll over.
I don't think a cage is a realistic answer to "keeping it as long as you can". in most cases (if not all), a cage is designed with it in mind that at typical road speeds it will only protect the people within the vehicle, not the vehicle itself. off road use is a different story for the simple fact that an off-road rollover with the average joe driver will occur at extremely low speeds.
basically, whether external or internal, a cage is no guarantee that the vehicle will survive. it is a safe bet that with a cage, the person(s) within the vehicle will survive the ordeal.
so yes, it's a sweet idea to keep you safe. not really worthwhile if it's your daily driver that only sees light off-road use as it will just add unnecessary weight, costing more fuel consumption. if you are responsible when it comes to driving, you have a great chance of never needing to justify the use of a cage in a daily driver.
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my point is that whether you hit slippery surfaces, looked at/leaned over to get your cell phone/were texting/talking, changing the radio, talking to your passenger, eating/drinking, looking in directions other than your path of travel/just generally screwing around....you rolled the truck.
to me, unless said truck got rolled resulting from someone else causing an accident (i.e. colliding with your vehicle at extreme speeds/angles) that caused it to roll....the answer is not bigger and beefier. it's to learn how to drive properly, respectfully, and learn how to recover your vehicle in a bad situation.
a roll cage is not the answer to poor driving ability or poor habits. I really mean no offense by this...just coming from experience with friends who have rolled their vehicles...it is ALWAYS driver error not vehicle error. in some extreme circumstances a part may break causing loss of control etc...regardless, that too is driver error for lack of maintaining the vehicle. I can think of very few [realistic] reasons for a mechanical error to indefinitely cause a roll over.
I don't think a cage is a realistic answer to "keeping it as long as you can". in most cases (if not all), a cage is designed with it in mind that at typical road speeds it will only protect the people within the vehicle, not the vehicle itself. off road use is a different story for the simple fact that an off-road rollover with the average joe driver will occur at extremely low speeds.
basically, whether external or internal, a cage is no guarantee that the vehicle will survive. it is a safe bet that with a cage, the person(s) within the vehicle will survive the ordeal.
so yes, it's a sweet idea to keep you safe. not really worthwhile if it's your daily driver that only sees light off-road use as it will just add unnecessary weight, costing more fuel consumption. if you are responsible when it comes to driving, you have a great chance of never needing to justify the use of a cage in a daily driver.
-Pat
08-30-2009, 12:30 AM
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I understand taht what you are saying and my parents and other family friends have told me the same... but I feel I have learned from my experiences and I am goin to do what I feel will help protect me, the passengers and SOME of the vehicle.... Yes my Xj will be my daily driver but I do alot of trail riding in the mountains and I just feel that it is an almost neccessary measure for such drivin conditions, which are narrow winding trails with steep drops on one side or another
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what were you doing when you rolled your last truck?
my point is that whether you hit slippery surfaces, looked at/leaned over to get your cell phone/were texting/talking, changing the radio, talking to your passenger, eating/drinking, looking in directions other than your path of travel/just generally screwing around....you rolled the truck.
to me, unless said truck got rolled resulting from someone else causing an accident (i.e. colliding with your vehicle at extreme speeds/angles) that caused it to roll....the answer is not bigger and beefier. it's to learn how to drive properly, respectfully, and learn how to recover your vehicle in a bad situation.
a roll cage is not the answer to poor driving ability or poor habits. I really mean no offense by this...just coming from experience with friends who have rolled their vehicles...it is ALWAYS driver error not vehicle error. in some extreme circumstances a part may break causing loss of control etc...regardless, that too is driver error for lack of maintaining the vehicle. I can think of very few [realistic] reasons for a mechanical error to indefinitely cause a roll over.
I don't think a cage is a realistic answer to "keeping it as long as you can". in most cases (if not all), a cage is designed with it in mind that at typical road speeds it will only protect the people within the vehicle, not the vehicle itself. off road use is a different story for the simple fact that an off-road rollover with the average joe driver will occur at extremely low speeds.
basically, whether external or internal, a cage is no guarantee that the vehicle will survive. it is a safe bet that with a cage, the person(s) within the vehicle will survive the ordeal.
so yes, it's a sweet idea to keep you safe. not really worthwhile if it's your daily driver that only sees light off-road use as it will just add unnecessary weight, costing more fuel consumption. if you are responsible when it comes to driving, you have a great chance of never needing to justify the use of a cage in a daily driver.
-Pat
my point is that whether you hit slippery surfaces, looked at/leaned over to get your cell phone/were texting/talking, changing the radio, talking to your passenger, eating/drinking, looking in directions other than your path of travel/just generally screwing around....you rolled the truck.
to me, unless said truck got rolled resulting from someone else causing an accident (i.e. colliding with your vehicle at extreme speeds/angles) that caused it to roll....the answer is not bigger and beefier. it's to learn how to drive properly, respectfully, and learn how to recover your vehicle in a bad situation.
a roll cage is not the answer to poor driving ability or poor habits. I really mean no offense by this...just coming from experience with friends who have rolled their vehicles...it is ALWAYS driver error not vehicle error. in some extreme circumstances a part may break causing loss of control etc...regardless, that too is driver error for lack of maintaining the vehicle. I can think of very few [realistic] reasons for a mechanical error to indefinitely cause a roll over.
I don't think a cage is a realistic answer to "keeping it as long as you can". in most cases (if not all), a cage is designed with it in mind that at typical road speeds it will only protect the people within the vehicle, not the vehicle itself. off road use is a different story for the simple fact that an off-road rollover with the average joe driver will occur at extremely low speeds.
basically, whether external or internal, a cage is no guarantee that the vehicle will survive. it is a safe bet that with a cage, the person(s) within the vehicle will survive the ordeal.
so yes, it's a sweet idea to keep you safe. not really worthwhile if it's your daily driver that only sees light off-road use as it will just add unnecessary weight, costing more fuel consumption. if you are responsible when it comes to driving, you have a great chance of never needing to justify the use of a cage in a daily driver.
-Pat
how can you say a cage for only light offroad use is not worthwhile? a cage is worthwhile in ant circumstance. even in mild offroading, rollovers happen....even to experienced wheelers!!!! we all hope to never "justify" having a roll cage, but guess what bud....sh&t happens to the best and worst of us!! roll overs are not ALWAYS driver error. examples, mechanic that worked on it last didnt tighten or over tighten components leading to failure....not the drivers fault, tire blows out on highway because of something in the road, also not drivers fault!! these are NOT driver error nor extreme cases, they happen every day. all of these would be enhanced on a lifted vehicle and harder to control if they happen.
dont ever tell someone they dont "need" a cage!!! its ignorant!!
08-30-2009, 08:33 AM
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I understand taht what you are saying and my parents and other family friends have told me the same... but I feel I have learned from my experiences and I am goin to do what I feel will help protect me, the passengers and SOME of the vehicle.... Yes my Xj will be my daily driver but I do alot of trail riding in the mountains and I just feel that it is an almost neccessary measure for such drivin conditions, which are narrow winding trails with steep drops on one side or another
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how can you say a cage for only light offroad use is not worthwhile? a cage is worthwhile in ant circumstance. even in mild offroading, rollovers happen....even to experienced wheelers!!!! we all hope to never "justify" having a roll cage, but guess what bud....sh&t happens to the best and worst of us!! roll overs are not ALWAYS driver error. examples, mechanic that worked on it last didnt tighten or over tighten components leading to failure....not the drivers fault, tire blows out on highway because of something in the road, also not drivers fault!! these are NOT driver error nor extreme cases, they happen every day. all of these would be enhanced on a lifted vehicle and harder to control if they happen.
dont ever tell someone they dont "need" a cage!!! its ignorant!!
dont ever tell someone they dont "need" a cage!!! its ignorant!!
yes, ***** happens. yes, a cage will help you out. NO a cage is not the answer to p*ss poor driving habits...learning how to drive is. I don't have one single friend that has had a rollover who wasn't being completely stupid when it occured. I've had mechanical failures that would freak most people out and I STILL didn't roll over (though I have no idea how).
mechanical failures are caused by the inattentiveness of the driver of the vehicle, or the mechanic at the shop. stuff doesn't just break with no warning...there are signs. it's the driver's job to ensure that their vehicle is safe.
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I may not have projected my point clearly, and unfortunately I can't make my point about this particular case until I find out what happened to cause the rollover.
yes, ***** happens. yes, a cage will help you out. NO a cage is not the answer to p*ss poor driving habits...learning how to drive is. I don't have one single friend that has had a rollover who wasn't being completely stupid when it occured. I've had mechanical failures that would freak most people out and I STILL didn't roll over (though I have no idea how).
mechanical failures are caused by the inattentiveness of the driver of the vehicle, or the mechanic at the shop. stuff doesn't just break with no warning...there are signs. it's the driver's job to ensure that their vehicle is safe.
yes, ***** happens. yes, a cage will help you out. NO a cage is not the answer to p*ss poor driving habits...learning how to drive is. I don't have one single friend that has had a rollover who wasn't being completely stupid when it occured. I've had mechanical failures that would freak most people out and I STILL didn't roll over (though I have no idea how).
mechanical failures are caused by the inattentiveness of the driver of the vehicle, or the mechanic at the shop. stuff doesn't just break with no warning...there are signs. it's the driver's job to ensure that their vehicle is safe.
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stuff does just break with no warning....and yes i agree most rollovers are because of the driver but not ALL as you stated before. im not trying to start a fight, just think a cage is a great idea for anyone who wheels!!! im glad you havent rolled yours cause cherokee roofs dont hold up very well, and i love the jeeping comunity....we are mostly great people!! jeeps break with no warning all the time, i know, ive had over 20 jeeps!
do you have any pics of your mj, jeepcomj? i have a huge soft spot for mj's!