cj5 a good choice?

housew · 10-30-2009, 08:08 AM

been searching on CL for toys and found a cj5 and a guy that might trade it to me for my altima. I've been reasearching for a while and i thnk i like them. doe any of you have experience with them or the 4.2 carbed engine?

its an 82, 4.2L straight 6, 4 speed on 31s

cherokee=104" wheel base, I also have a cj2a which is 80"WB and the cj5 is at 84" so I figgure It will be like my 2a except a tad taller, a lot more power, and a tighter turning radius. these assumptions correct?

no worries, cherokee still has a home in my stable due to awesome wheelbase and warmth

4.3L XJ · 10-30-2009, 10:58 AM

The 4.2 will not be near as snappy as the 304 that was also available. However, those came with a 4 speed that had a grandma gear. Very handy for wheeling especially since the tcase had only a 2.0:1 ratio. They were capable and good wheelers and unless you are crawling rocks, the wheel base is no disadvantage.

chrisdm4 · 10-30-2009, 11:14 AM

I love my cj5! Mine is a 75 but it is good out on the rocks stock. I would go for it i love the 5s

housew · 11-02-2009, 01:42 PM

the one im looking at is a 4 speed. good to know about the granny gear. 2.0 is pretty bad in the TC, np231s are 2.72 to 1 right? Which case you think an 82 would have? a dana 20?

i've always loved the old jeeps, and although 82 isn't that old, not much changed. My girlfriend doesn't like the cherokee as much cause your not "outside". Never though she would enjoy getting spider webs and mud in her face but i guess she does. I just figgure ill get more use out of a 5 then a lowered old altima.

I would rather have the v8 but i don't really need it.

chrisdm4 · 11-02-2009, 08:35 PM

Yeah same I love the old jeeps (cjs)! Here are some specs on the CJ-5 just for fun.
Later model cj-5

Description

* Built from late 1972-1983 (American Motors Co purchased Kaiser Jeep in 1971)
* until 1976 body remained the same as early model cj-5 (see above)
* 1976-1983
o Round fenders
o 83.5" wheelbase
o 55" wide windshield frame with bottom mounted wipers
o windshield more sloped that previous cj-5
o rear mounted spare tire
o 5"x5.5" bolt pattern on wheels
o 71.5" from door hinge to rear

Engines

* amc 232 cu in i-6 (standard from 1971-1979)
* amc 258 cu in i-6
* amc 304 cu in v-8
* gm 151 cu in i-4 (1980-1983)

Transmissions

* t-14 3 speed manual (i-6 1972-1975)
* t-15 3 speed manual (used with 304 v-8)*
* t-150 3 speed manual (i-6 1976-1979)*
* t-18 4 speed manual (i-6 1972-1986)*
* t-176 4 speed manual (i-6, v-8 1980-1983)
* sr-4 4 speed manual (i-4 1980-1981)
* t-4 4 speed manual (i-4 1982-1983)
* t-5 5 speed manual (i-4, i-6 1982-1983)

*known for being very stong

Transfer Cases

* Dana 20 2-speed transfer case (1972-1979)
* dana 300 2-speed transfer case (1980-1983)

Rear Axle

* Dana 44 (through 1975)
* amc 20 (1976-1983)

Front axle

* dana 30 (1972-1983)

mobilecherokee4 · 11-02-2009, 10:36 PM

nice specs

4.3L XJ · 11-03-2009, 12:09 AM

Thanks for the specs, however the t-14 was a very weak tranny. It was also behind the 225 V6 and was fortunate to get out of the parking lot without breaking. I broke mine twice before replacing it with a t-15 which was very tough.

chrisdm4 · 11-03-2009, 08:19 AM

Yeah your well come and i hear you! Over thanksgiving I am changing t-14 out. The throwout bearing is messed up so i have to take the trany out soo mine as well change it when i have it out.

4.3L XJ · 11-03-2009, 09:03 AM

Do yourself a favor. Cut down the front adaptor if you have one or move the transfer case back and put in a t-15. Same bolt pattern up front and at least twice the strength of that under designed gear box. Another nice thing is that the synchros are serrated and just won't pop out of gear. I had the transfer case bolts back out of mine and never knew it because the typical popping out of second gear never happened .

housew · 11-03-2009, 11:20 AM

excelent info. so an 82 should have a dana 300 instead of a 20 which scores me 2.62 low instead of 2

.

it has the 258 straight 6 so it could have a t18 or a t176. which one, both, or neither have a granny gear, and which one is stronger?

and i don't know much about the amc 20, but from my limited research im a tad dissapointed it wont have the 44, unless the 44's back then didn't have 30 splines or something.

great info, i really hope i get it now. thanks guys

4.3L XJ · 11-03-2009, 03:38 PM

t-18 has the granny gear and is the stronger

mike albo · 11-03-2009, 03:51 PM

I had a 69 CJ5 with the T-14, 225 Buick V6 combo(jeep called it The DauntlessV6) model 25 front axle, 44 offset rear axle,model 18 TC.It was also the short front fender version.

chrisdm4 · 11-03-2009, 04:24 PM

The 44 I have is a 19 splines

But it is ok for now.....

mike albo · 11-03-2009, 04:43 PM

When I rebuilt my 44 put in 30 spline one piece axles.

chrisdm4 · 11-03-2009, 10:03 PM

Yeah i would but at this point I am just going to but a 60/14 in it this summer

10-30-2009, 08:08 AM	#1
housew Seasoned Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 355 My Photos 1999 Cherokee Year: 1999 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.0 Transmission: aw4 Transfer Case: np231 Front Axle: d30 hp Rear Axle: d35 Tires: 31x10.5 mtr retreads Lift Specifications: 3" bds full pack	cj5 a good choice? been searching on CL for toys and found a cj5 and a guy that might trade it to me for my altima. I've been reasearching for a while and i thnk i like them. doe any of you have experience with them or the 4.2 carbed engine? its an 82, 4.2L straight 6, 4 speed on 31s cherokee=104" wheel base, I also have a cj2a which is 80"WB and the cj5 is at 84" so I figgure It will be like my 2a except a tad taller, a lot more power, and a tighter turning radius. these assumptions correct? no worries, cherokee still has a home in my stable due to awesome wheelbase and warmth

10-30-2009, 11:14 AM	#3
chrisdm4 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Telford PA Posts: 566 My Photos 1997 Grand Cherokee Year: 1997 Model: Grand Cherokee Engine: 4.0L I6 Transmission: 42RE Transfer Case: NP231 Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: dana 35 Tires: BF AT 31 Lift Specifications: 4" RC short arm Misc Accessories: cragar wheels, dynomax exhaust, K&N Intake, JKS discos, Skyjacker stabilizer, Riddler Mfg Diff cover	I love my cj5! Mine is a 75 but it is good out on the rocks stock. I would go for it i love the 5s __________________ 97 ZJ......75 CJ5 Blacked Out Offroad #248 3rd Annual Jeep Unibody Run - Rausch Creek - Crawl for the Cure If it ain't broke, re-engineer it

11-02-2009, 08:35 PM	#5
chrisdm4 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Telford PA Posts: 566 My Photos 1997 Grand Cherokee Year: 1997 Model: Grand Cherokee Engine: 4.0L I6 Transmission: 42RE Transfer Case: NP231 Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: dana 35 Tires: BF AT 31 Lift Specifications: 4" RC short arm Misc Accessories: cragar wheels, dynomax exhaust, K&N Intake, JKS discos, Skyjacker stabilizer, Riddler Mfg Diff cover	Yeah same I love the old jeeps (cjs)! Here are some specs on the CJ-5 just for fun. Later model cj-5 Description * Built from late 1972-1983 (American Motors Co purchased Kaiser Jeep in 1971) * until 1976 body remained the same as early model cj-5 (see above) * 1976-1983 o Round fenders o 83.5" wheelbase o 55" wide windshield frame with bottom mounted wipers o windshield more sloped that previous cj-5 o rear mounted spare tire o 5"x5.5" bolt pattern on wheels o 71.5" from door hinge to rear Engines * amc 232 cu in i-6 (standard from 1971-1979) * amc 258 cu in i-6 * amc 304 cu in v-8 * gm 151 cu in i-4 (1980-1983) Transmissions * t-14 3 speed manual (i-6 1972-1975) * t-15 3 speed manual (used with 304 v-8)* * t-150 3 speed manual (i-6 1976-1979)* * t-18 4 speed manual (i-6 1972-1986)* * t-176 4 speed manual (i-6, v-8 1980-1983) * sr-4 4 speed manual (i-4 1980-1981) * t-4 4 speed manual (i-4 1982-1983) * t-5 5 speed manual (i-4, i-6 1982-1983) known for being very stong Transfer Cases* * Dana 20 2-speed transfer case (1972-1979) * dana 300 2-speed transfer case (1980-1983) Rear Axle * Dana 44 (through 1975) * amc 20 (1976-1983) Front axle * dana 30 (1972-1983) __________________ 97 ZJ......75 CJ5 Blacked Out Offroad #248 3rd Annual Jeep Unibody Run - Rausch Creek - Crawl for the Cure If it ain't broke, re-engineer it

11-02-2009, 10:36 PM	#6
mobilecherokee4 CF Veteran Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,667 My Photos 1999 Cherokee Year: 1999 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.0L I6 Transfer Case: np231 Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: Chry 8.25 Tires: 33'' bfg mud tires Lift Specifications: 4.5 inch Misc Accessories: KnN air filter, cb radio, magnaflow dual exhaust, herculiner all inside, cragar steel rock rims,	nice specs __________________

11-03-2009, 08:19 AM	#8
chrisdm4 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Telford PA Posts: 566 My Photos 1997 Grand Cherokee Year: 1997 Model: Grand Cherokee Engine: 4.0L I6 Transmission: 42RE Transfer Case: NP231 Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: dana 35 Tires: BF AT 31 Lift Specifications: 4" RC short arm Misc Accessories: cragar wheels, dynomax exhaust, K&N Intake, JKS discos, Skyjacker stabilizer, Riddler Mfg Diff cover	Yeah your well come and i hear you! Over thanksgiving I am changing t-14 out. The throwout bearing is messed up so i have to take the trany out soo mine as well change it when i have it out. __________________ 97 ZJ......75 CJ5 Blacked Out Offroad #248 3rd Annual Jeep Unibody Run - Rausch Creek - Crawl for the Cure If it ain't broke, re-engineer it

10-30-2009, 10:58 AM	#2
4.3L XJ CF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chico, CA Posts: 2,642 My Photos 1986 Cherokee Year: 1986 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.3L with headers and full 3" exhaust system Transmission: 4L60E with manual lockout. Transfer Case: Atlas 4 speed with 2.7, 3.8 and 10.38 Front Axle: D30 going to Toyota 8.25 with ARB Rear Axle: D35 going to Toyota 8.25 with ARB Tires: 31X10.50X15 going to 38s Lift Specifications: 7.5" RE coils on homegrown longarm, Tereflex high steer, bastard pack rear. Misc Accessories: Warn 9.5ti, a bag of goodies and custom onboard air	The 4.2 will not be near as snappy as the 304 that was also available. However, those came with a 4 speed that had a grandma gear. Very handy for wheeling especially since the tcase had only a 2.0:1 ratio. They were capable and good wheelers and unless you are crawling rocks, the wheel base is no disadvantage.

11-02-2009, 01:42 PM	#4
housew Seasoned Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 355 My Photos 1999 Cherokee Year: 1999 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.0 Transmission: aw4 Transfer Case: np231 Front Axle: d30 hp Rear Axle: d35 Tires: 31x10.5 mtr retreads Lift Specifications: 3" bds full pack	the one im looking at is a 4 speed. good to know about the granny gear. 2.0 is pretty bad in the TC, np231s are 2.72 to 1 right? Which case you think an 82 would have? a dana 20? i've always loved the old jeeps, and although 82 isn't that old, not much changed. My girlfriend doesn't like the cherokee as much cause your not "outside". Never though she would enjoy getting spider webs and mud in her face but i guess she does. I just figgure ill get more use out of a 5 then a lowered old altima. I would rather have the v8 but i don't really need it.

11-03-2009, 12:09 AM	#7
4.3L XJ CF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chico, CA Posts: 2,642 My Photos 1986 Cherokee Year: 1986 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.3L with headers and full 3" exhaust system Transmission: 4L60E with manual lockout. Transfer Case: Atlas 4 speed with 2.7, 3.8 and 10.38 Front Axle: D30 going to Toyota 8.25 with ARB Rear Axle: D35 going to Toyota 8.25 with ARB Tires: 31X10.50X15 going to 38s Lift Specifications: 7.5" RE coils on homegrown longarm, Tereflex high steer, bastard pack rear. Misc Accessories: Warn 9.5ti, a bag of goodies and custom onboard air	Thanks for the specs, however the t-14 was a very weak tranny. It was also behind the 225 V6 and was fortunate to get out of the parking lot without breaking. I broke mine twice before replacing it with a t-15 which was very tough.

11-03-2009, 09:03 AM	#9
4.3L XJ CF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chico, CA Posts: 2,642 My Photos 1986 Cherokee Year: 1986 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.3L with headers and full 3" exhaust system Transmission: 4L60E with manual lockout. Transfer Case: Atlas 4 speed with 2.7, 3.8 and 10.38 Front Axle: D30 going to Toyota 8.25 with ARB Rear Axle: D35 going to Toyota 8.25 with ARB Tires: 31X10.50X15 going to 38s Lift Specifications: 7.5" RE coils on homegrown longarm, Tereflex high steer, bastard pack rear. Misc Accessories: Warn 9.5ti, a bag of goodies and custom onboard air	Do yourself a favor. Cut down the front adaptor if you have one or move the transfer case back and put in a t-15. Same bolt pattern up front and at least twice the strength of that under designed gear box. Another nice thing is that the synchros are serrated and just won't pop out of gear. I had the transfer case bolts back out of mine and never knew it because the typical popping out of second gear never happened .

11-03-2009, 11:20 AM	#10
housew Seasoned Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 355 My Photos 1999 Cherokee Year: 1999 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.0 Transmission: aw4 Transfer Case: np231 Front Axle: d30 hp Rear Axle: d35 Tires: 31x10.5 mtr retreads Lift Specifications: 3" bds full pack	excelent info. so an 82 should have a dana 300 instead of a 20 which scores me 2.62 low instead of 2 . it has the 258 straight 6 so it could have a t18 or a t176. which one, both, or neither have a granny gear, and which one is stronger? and i don't know much about the amc 20, but from my limited research im a tad dissapointed it wont have the 44, unless the 44's back then didn't have 30 splines or something. great info, i really hope i get it now. thanks guys

11-03-2009, 03:38 PM	#11
4.3L XJ CF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Chico, CA Posts: 2,642 My Photos 1986 Cherokee Year: 1986 Model: Cherokee Engine: 4.3L with headers and full 3" exhaust system Transmission: 4L60E with manual lockout. Transfer Case: Atlas 4 speed with 2.7, 3.8 and 10.38 Front Axle: D30 going to Toyota 8.25 with ARB Rear Axle: D35 going to Toyota 8.25 with ARB Tires: 31X10.50X15 going to 38s Lift Specifications: 7.5" RE coils on homegrown longarm, Tereflex high steer, bastard pack rear. Misc Accessories: Warn 9.5ti, a bag of goodies and custom onboard air	t-18 has the granny gear and is the stronger

11-03-2009, 03:51 PM	#12
mike albo CF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Loomis,California Posts: 8,582 My Photos 1987 Cherokee Year: 1987 Model: Cherokee Engine: 242 inline six Transmission: aw4 automatic Transfer Case: np231 Front Axle: hp D30 Rear Axle: D44 Tires: michellin ltx ms 235-75-15 Lift Specifications: OME 2 inch standered duty Misc Accessories: JKS track bar, lower&upper arms, disconects, stainless steele brake lines, KC lights, more to come	I had a 69 CJ5 with the T-14, 225 Buick V6 combo(jeep called it The DauntlessV6) model 25 front axle, 44 offset rear axle,model 18 TC.It was also the short front fender version. __________________ You can't fix stupid!

11-03-2009, 04:24 PM	#13
chrisdm4 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Telford PA Posts: 566 My Photos 1997 Grand Cherokee Year: 1997 Model: Grand Cherokee Engine: 4.0L I6 Transmission: 42RE Transfer Case: NP231 Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: dana 35 Tires: BF AT 31 Lift Specifications: 4" RC short arm Misc Accessories: cragar wheels, dynomax exhaust, K&N Intake, JKS discos, Skyjacker stabilizer, Riddler Mfg Diff cover	The 44 I have is a 19 splines But it is ok for now..... __________________ 97 ZJ......75 CJ5 Blacked Out Offroad #248 3rd Annual Jeep Unibody Run - Rausch Creek - Crawl for the Cure If it ain't broke, re-engineer it

11-03-2009, 04:43 PM	#14
mike albo CF Veteran Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Loomis,California Posts: 8,582 My Photos 1987 Cherokee Year: 1987 Model: Cherokee Engine: 242 inline six Transmission: aw4 automatic Transfer Case: np231 Front Axle: hp D30 Rear Axle: D44 Tires: michellin ltx ms 235-75-15 Lift Specifications: OME 2 inch standered duty Misc Accessories: JKS track bar, lower&upper arms, disconects, stainless steele brake lines, KC lights, more to come	When I rebuilt my 44 put in 30 spline one piece axles. __________________ You can't fix stupid!

11-03-2009, 10:03 PM	#15
chrisdm4 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Telford PA Posts: 566 My Photos 1997 Grand Cherokee Year: 1997 Model: Grand Cherokee Engine: 4.0L I6 Transmission: 42RE Transfer Case: NP231 Front Axle: dana 30 Rear Axle: dana 35 Tires: BF AT 31 Lift Specifications: 4" RC short arm Misc Accessories: cragar wheels, dynomax exhaust, K&N Intake, JKS discos, Skyjacker stabilizer, Riddler Mfg Diff cover	Yeah i would but at this point I am just going to but a 60/14 in it this summer __________________ 97 ZJ......75 CJ5 Blacked Out Offroad #248 3rd Annual Jeep Unibody Run - Rausch Creek - Crawl for the Cure If it ain't broke, re-engineer it

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