GRAYMAN SPOTTER

Now THAT, is funny!


,,,,,,,,,,now don't jump to conclusions to fast,,,I got the haze cleared up a few posts back and the CUMMINS DIESEL is a "deserving upgrade" to this fine piece of "American" history.

evguy

I'm trying a TDI in mine, should have good power and good fuel economy.
What more could we ask for.

GRAYMAN SPOTTER

I am definitely checking out your project, I think the VW TDI is a great choice, The reliability is awesome, and the mileage is sometimes 40-45 in a Jetta or Passat, right?


One thing I would like to hear from you on that subject/swap is about keeping it cool? My last build was a Suzuki Samurai engine swap to a sidekick. The TDI as a powerplant at that time was on the top of my list and I remember talking to two people that had done that swap and they mentioned that keeping it cool was a major problem,,,of course there should be a lot more room to tackle the cooling issues in a Cherokee.

Justjoshnya

I see a battle brewing in your xj. The military hounerd jeep getting the heart of a VW. VW started by Porsche financed by Hitler. It will be at odds with its self.

evguy

Maybe I should call mine "Diplomacy"
Dual electric fans on the stock XJ rad should provide lots of cooling for the 1.9 TDI.
Not sure about the 3.3 Cummins though.
I had to have a huge rad built for my Dakota when I put the ISB170 Cummins in it.

I would be happy with 30mpg though my Grand gets over 40 with the 2.8L Isuzu diesel.

ZombieResponseJeep

Seriously. He paid big money for that Jeep too. We were discussing the listing on another thread when it was for sale. Why not buy a nicer/newer XJ with a blown motor or diesel swap the 4.0 or 2.5?

I hope he is just trolling with this thread and isn't serious.

GRAYMAN SPOTTER

Good angle, I would not have thought of it that way.


Most times I am just looking at function. How can I redesign a vehicle to fit the type of fun and/or lifestyle I am looking for.

GRAYMAN SPOTTER

Hey XJlimitedx99 and Zombie Response Jeep,


I have no attitude in this response, just enjoy a good respectful discussion.
So, just responding so you know where I am coming from, I definitely appreciate original stuff and I go out of my way not to screw something up that is worth saving. I think there are vehicles that need to be preserved and sometimes they are so special, even kept in a climate controlled environment and treated like jewelry. Then there is a GEO Metro type vehicle ( sorry to the GEO Metro lovers out there, just using that to make a point), and then there is everything in between the high end and the low end.


Somewhere in between the highly collectable and the not so collectable is a 2.1 Diesel Renault, if it was all original, could be brought back, close to pristine etc, I could see someone buying it and hanging onto it an showing it off etc. It was for sale for a while and like you mentioned it was discussed and yet no one snatched it up?


So for me, and this specific 1986 original diesel Jeep Cherokee that I bought, I do not see it as a slice of car history worth preserving at a pristine level. Like essentially every person on a car forum we have a view of how a vehicle can be improved upon.


Maybe I am not seeing it correctly. I am one of the most open minded guys you could ever meet. School me if I need it before I go to far with my build. Truly, just kicking around ideas here, I am open.


As far as "paying big money for the Jeep", everything is relative I guess. It was what I wanted, it fit my needs, so it was a great deal to me (of course there was some price negotiation, I did not pay even close to what he was asking). But then it cost me a chunk of dough to have it shipped form Idaho to San Diego,.


Here is a bit of info so maybe,. if you want to know, you can relate to my point of view. I live in the land of fruits and nuts (California) as far as GOVERNMENT INTRUSION GOES, especially with vehicles.


I absolutely hate the every two year payment required for most vehicles in this State. to check if you are in compliance with some whacky law that is on the books. Those laws are mostly written as a way to collect taxes and written by people that do not understand cars or how they are used.


Since I have taken delivery of it I got it registered at a minimal cost, I am now done forever with the government(except for a small yearly registration fee)....This is the equivalent of the Holy Grail of scenarios for us out here in CA.!


Yes I could have bought a different, nicer X,J and completed the swap and ultimately had about the same physical outcome, BUT, it would have cost me probably thousands of dollars, and a ridiculous amount of costly time and energy dealing with the Department of Motor vehicles.


Yes and there are those - "OH-SO-FRIENDLY Government employees"- that are looking to throw a road block in front of you at every turn of a piece of paper.


So, at this point I am driving, and enjoying, and fabricating, and painting and changing etc etc. having fun with it.


The B3.3T Cummins Diesel and Transmission arrives tomorrow!


I mentioned at the start of this thread I wanted to discuss all options, thanks for the input.

evguy

I applaud you for thinking that far ahead.
So many people start a project and don't think how they are going to "sneak" it past the government.
When I was a young lad (a long time ago) I had a V8 in a Datsun pickup.
Evey month I had to go to the government inspection station, wait in line for up to an hr and then pay my $20 to get a failed sticker so I could get another 30 days legally on the road.
It was just a summer vehicle so I only had to do that 4-5 times a year but what a pain.
I also don't see the Renault XJ as a collectors car and look forward to following your build.
Is the 3.3 fully mechanical pump?
The ISB170 that I put into my Dakota was all electronic and very hard to get more power out of since no one makes a tuner for it.
Bigger injectors and different turbo with boost fooler were the best upgrades.

CobraMarty

What is that B3.3 engine out of? How much power does it make? Why it?

GRAYMAN SPOTTER

evguy, Yes, the CA vehicle laws are LAME!! A V8 in a Datsun pick up, that sounds great too, my first vehicle was a V8 Pinto stationwagon that I built in 10th grade Auto shop


As far as the injectors, all mechanical. One of the beauties of this swap is that there is one wire that needs twelve volt power to make the thing run.

GRAYMAN SPOTTER

CobraMarty, All 3.3 Cummins diesels are industrial, there are two types: governed RPM's and non governed.


The one I have purchased is referred to as a QSV B3.3T (T for turbo), it is non-governed, it is out of a Kubota forklift.


The B3.3T's are originally born with 130 HP and 250 Torque.
This one that I am installing has been tweaked a small amount and runs 140 HP and 275 Torque.


It makes good usable power between 1400 and 3000 RPM's


Why did I chose it?


Much less weight than a 3.9 (4BT)


The 3.3 is a better balanced engine and is smooth much smoother at an idle that the 4BT.


It does not have any glow plugs or an intake heater.


It only needs one twelve volt wire to make it run.


This particular set up that I have purchased has been in a YJ for 25 thousand miles with a 6spd Wrangler transmission and with 33's it was getting over 30 MPG.


They are not popular yet as there just are not a lot of the B3.3T's around at a reasonable price. The 4BT you probably know, got real popular suddenly when Frito-Lay went out of business and the put 500 thousand trucks up for sale that all had the 4BT engine in them.


One additional reason I bought this set up is because of Mike at AUTOWERX DIESEL in Indiana, he is someone I felt like I could trust, for many reasons.
He's the guy that originally set this combination up.

GRAYMAN SPOTTER

evguy, The 2.8 diesel in your Grand Cherokee sounds awesome at 40 MPG. That seemed like a great choice for me but then there is all that computer stuff to deal with and those engines are fuel sensitive? Is that true or just a rumor that has been whipped up?

GRAYMAN SPOTTER

GRAYMAN SPOTTER

Was not my style, so, its outta here. factory rear seat is going to go back in for now




It had a hinge and a lift lid to hide stuff but no bottom, also box/storage interfered with moving the seat back all the way