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Old 03-22-2011, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 00xjJeff
Did any of you guys need an alignment after changing the tie rod? If mine bends or brakes I will upgrade to the ZJ.
I think you might.
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While I am down there changing the tie rod should I also change the draglink or leave that alone. I know the pitarm and the trackbar need to be at the same angle but what about the draglink.
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Originally Posted by GS Audio
Oh....an let me help the XJ owners looking to do a full overhaul like I am doing. Here's the parts list (with ZJ upgrade parts):

All Moog p/n's for a 96 XJ Sport

Upper BJ - K3134T
Lower BJ - K3161T
Tie rod - DS1238
Tie Rod (end) (qty 2) - ES3096L
Track Bar - DS1235
Tie Rod Sleeve (qty 2) - ES2079S
Tie Rod (ZJ upgrade - replaces DS1326S and ES3095R) - DS1312

Best source to confirm your specific model is this Moog site:

http://www.moog-suspension-parts.com/default.asp
Please see the revised list above.

I just had all this stuff install on Friday and found out that I had one incorrect TRE.

When upgrading to the ZJ TRE (DS1312), you no longer need TRE ES3094L. The ES3094L is the thinner TRE that mounts to the old thin hollow XJ tube. I wasn't aware when I ordered this, so was short one.

The above list in quotes is the complete list you need.

XJ now drives 100% better. When in there, I had the spicer joints and hub bearing replaced as well.

Just an FYI....
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Originally Posted by 00xjJeff
Did any of you guys need an alignment after changing the tie rod? If mine bends or brakes I will upgrade to the ZJ.
if you do the swap with your tires on the ground, you shouldnt need an alignment.
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Originally Posted by E-Rok
if you do the swap with your tires on the ground, you shouldnt need an alignment.
Using a tape measure to ensure the tires are at the right angle will work too. Its not 100% but gets you close enough, if you dont feel like paying for an alignment.
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Can anyone tell me if the tie rod, ends and adjuster off any other years besides 95 will work for this swap. I bent my stock TR this last weekend and my need to upgrade has been moved up on the important list by an unforgiving boulder. Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide.
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Originally Posted by Desert Rat
Can anyone tell me if the tie rod, ends and adjuster off any other years besides 95 will work for this swap. I bent my stock TR this last weekend and my need to upgrade has been moved up on the important list by an unforgiving boulder. Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide.
1994-1998 Will work I picked 1996 because according to online that was the year Grand Cherokee got the biggest upgrade OBDII. Might as well pick a year that it got a lot of attention. Also 1996 and 1997 were the years the 5.2 got more Torque and Horsepower.
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Originally Posted by 00xjJeff
1994-1998 Will work I picked 1996 because according to online that was the year Grand Cherokee got the biggest upgrade OBDII. Might as well pick a year that it got a lot of attention. Also 1996 and 1997 were the years the 5.2 got more Torque and Horsepower.
Thanks for the reply, I just wanted to know options when I head to the JY this weekend.
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EDIT - Decided to rear the OP and realized you get the parts for a 95 ZJ, would these parts still work on a 2000 Cherokee? I know somethings changed between 99 and 2000 on the XJs.

Also i have been doing some reasearch and a lot of people use Kragen O'railey/MOOG Parts -and/or- Autozone/Duralast Parts. These are the parts you need to do the Tie Rod and Drag Link conversion:
#DS1312 long tie rod, its solid not hollow
#DS1238 drag link
#ES3096L short tie rod ends(1 by pitman, 1 by outer driver side)
#ES2079S adjustment sleeves

Here is Kragens Pricing for MOOG parts:
#DS1312 - $82.99
#DS1238 - $129.99
#ES3096L - $44.99 x 2
#ES2079S - $25.99 x 2
TOTAL - $354.94

Here is the Autozone priving for Duralast parts:
#DS1312 - $49.99
#DS1238 - $43.99
#ES3096L - $20.99 x 2
#ES2079S - $14.99 x 2
TOTAL - $165.94

My question is why are the Duralast parts so much cheaper at Autozone? Are the MOOG parts at Kragen that much better?

Thanks

Will

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Originally Posted by 1FSTREX
EDIT - Decided to rear the OP and realized you get the parts for a 95 ZJ, would these parts still work on a 2000 Cherokee? I know somethings changed between 99 and 2000 on the XJs.
Should work fine. If your looking for replacement steering parts they are the same from 84-01, dont see it being any different for aftermarket parts.

And instead of spending over a $100 bucks why not pick a solid tie rod setup, up from the JY?
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Is it neccesary to replace bouth sections of the tie rod? The one from the steering box is already solid, or is it all done for the stronger end joints?

For the install to the end at the knuckles come out easy or is a pickle fork needed? I disconnected my tierods with a tap of a hammer last weekend. And what size is the nut to the pitman arms? None f my sockets would fit it.
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Originally Posted by No4x4Yet

Should work fine. If your looking for replacement steering parts they are the same from 84-01, dont see it being any different for aftermarket parts.

And instead of spending over a $100 bucks why not pick a solid tie rod setup, up from the JY?
I was told the ZJ set up, which I listed above, was a solid tie rod.
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Originally Posted by 1FSTREX
I was told the ZJ set up, which I listed above, was a solid tie rod.
Im pretty sure the drag link is solid already. The Tie Rod is the hollow piece.
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Ok.
After reading every page a couple times, I have just one question before I do this upgrade...

Does it (the zj tie rod/drag link upgrade) work on pre-90 XJ's?
The reason I ask is, I know from 87-90 xj's a lot of the stuff that is "easy, bolt on" doesn't work; i.e alternator upgrade.
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Originally Posted by No4x4Yet
Im pretty sure the drag link is solid already. The Tie Rod is the hollow piece.
So can anyone give a definite answer? is there a benefit to upgrading the drag link as well?


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