Popping and grinding when turning RIGHT ONLY
12-15-2014, 01:43 PM
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Sounds like someone with a deep voice trying to clear their throat is the best way I could put it. I will check before leaving work if it is bumping something. Seems to be only when the body starts to roll too and happens on varying degrees, such as it'll start when I go 45 on an exit ramp, then next time it'll happen at 30 or 35, or when your just normally turning out at an intersection, or even taking a normal turn on a road like now.
12-15-2014, 02:16 PM
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lift your front end.
start by spinning the wheel and listen for crackling in the hub bearing.
next you will need to have someone in the jeep while you spin the wheel and have them turn the wheel right so you can see if the u-joint is noisy.
this can happen when they're new if the joints were tight when installed or the hub nut isn't torqued properly. (175lb/ft).
you may have to remove the hub and pull the shaft to see if the joint is too tight.
ball joints may make a noise too if dirty or not set properly, but it's more of a crunch or groan sound.
does this noise only happen when rolling while turning right, or will it do it just by turning the steering wheel?
problem is, it will only replicate the sound when rolling if it is either the hub or u-joint.
track bar makes more of a clunk sound and usually the steering wheel will go slightly off center if the bolt is moving around.
start by spinning the wheel and listen for crackling in the hub bearing.
next you will need to have someone in the jeep while you spin the wheel and have them turn the wheel right so you can see if the u-joint is noisy.
this can happen when they're new if the joints were tight when installed or the hub nut isn't torqued properly. (175lb/ft).
you may have to remove the hub and pull the shaft to see if the joint is too tight.
ball joints may make a noise too if dirty or not set properly, but it's more of a crunch or groan sound.
does this noise only happen when rolling while turning right, or will it do it just by turning the steering wheel?
problem is, it will only replicate the sound when rolling if it is either the hub or u-joint.
track bar makes more of a clunk sound and usually the steering wheel will go slightly off center if the bolt is moving around.
12-15-2014, 02:26 PM
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lift your front end.
start by spinning the wheel and listen for crackling in the hub bearing.
next you will need to have someone in the jeep while you spin the wheel and have them turn the wheel right so you can see if the u-joint is noisy.
this can happen when they're new if the joints were tight when installed or the hub nut isn't torqued properly. (175lb/ft).
you may have to remove the hub and pull the shaft to see if the joint is too tight.
ball joints may make a noise too if dirty or not set properly, but it's more of a crunch or groan sound.
does this noise only happen when rolling while turning right, or will it do it just by turning the steering wheel?
problem is, it will only replicate the sound when rolling if it is either the hub or u-joint.
track bar makes more of a clunk sound and usually the steering wheel will go slightly off center if the bolt is moving around.
start by spinning the wheel and listen for crackling in the hub bearing.
next you will need to have someone in the jeep while you spin the wheel and have them turn the wheel right so you can see if the u-joint is noisy.
this can happen when they're new if the joints were tight when installed or the hub nut isn't torqued properly. (175lb/ft).
you may have to remove the hub and pull the shaft to see if the joint is too tight.
ball joints may make a noise too if dirty or not set properly, but it's more of a crunch or groan sound.
does this noise only happen when rolling while turning right, or will it do it just by turning the steering wheel?
problem is, it will only replicate the sound when rolling if it is either the hub or u-joint.
track bar makes more of a clunk sound and usually the steering wheel will go slightly off center if the bolt is moving around.
I'll try that trick tonight, It only happens when I'm rolling and weight is shifted to the drivers side as I'm turning right. I know I torqued the axle nut up to 175, but I can look at the U-joints and see if they are the ones that are binding. Maybe bad balljoints? I took it into the shop and they replaced them, the old ones were pretty much seized, but it's been making the same sound regardless.
Seems like whenever I take it apart, it's good for 2 days, then gets bad again. I did check my dust shield and it has about a good 3-5+ mm of clearance at the bottom, but the top has maybe 1mm of clearance. maybe thats the cause? seems like it's bent in the wrong direction in it's going to be rubbing, unless there is an issue with it hitting something, then rubbing.
12-15-2014, 02:33 PM
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With that explanation I would also be looking at all bushing real good. Not just your ball joints, but your lower and upper control arms and sway bar bushings - check out that whole area pretty well. Not much you can do but just see if the bushings look real cracked/shot. A crunching/grunting noise, particularly dealing with body roll/turning could certainly be a bad bushing on one side. I'd even look at engine mounts, but that's probably a long shot.
12-15-2014, 07:07 PM
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Ok here is just a guess. Could it be side wall flex on your tire making it rub on part of your wheel well? Maybe after you hang the suspension it takes a day or 2 to fully settle back down where it's low enough to rub again?
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12-15-2014, 08:37 PM
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[QUOTE=Dragonzfire;2993761] Now this sound happens continuously, so every revolution of the wheel, i hear a pop and a grind. Left is perfectly fine though./QUOTE]
This eliminates ball joints, bushings, tie rods, etc., it's in the rotating assembly and it's not the wheel bearing. A bad wheel bearing makes a sound more like off-road tires humming, when they start making more nasty noises you're down to a few miles and then it locks or grenades. I'd guess U-joint or something in the diff. Try lifting it and spinning the tire if you don't see anything obvious, also check it for play while it's up. Check that the the lugs nuts are still tight and that the wheel doesn't wobble as it spins.
This eliminates ball joints, bushings, tie rods, etc., it's in the rotating assembly and it's not the wheel bearing. A bad wheel bearing makes a sound more like off-road tires humming, when they start making more nasty noises you're down to a few miles and then it locks or grenades. I'd guess U-joint or something in the diff. Try lifting it and spinning the tire if you don't see anything obvious, also check it for play while it's up. Check that the the lugs nuts are still tight and that the wheel doesn't wobble as it spins.
12-15-2014, 10:25 PM
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huh, thats interesting, could be though. I'll turn the steering over and check that tomorrow when it's light out. thanks for the tip!
12-15-2014, 10:29 PM
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[QUOTE='90Cherokee;2994214]
Tightened all four corners to 110 ft/lbs, I'll jack it up and check for play. know when I rotated it replacing the brakes, it was smooth, nothing really was grinding and not much play. though it wasn't 100% smooth, kinda felt the bearings, but i felt that in the hub assembly before I installed it. I can try rocking everything back and forth. when it does happen, i recently discovered that it kinda pops into a groove, then it does its grinding noise, then when you steer out of it going straight, there's kind or another pop and its normal again. not very audible, but i can sense it and kinda feel it. Any ideas on what that could be?
Now this sound happens continuously, so every revolution of the wheel, i hear a pop and a grind. Left is perfectly fine though./QUOTE]
This eliminates ball joints, bushings, tie rods, etc., it's in the rotating assembly and it's not the wheel bearing. A bad wheel bearing makes a sound more like off-road tires humming, when they start making more nasty noises you're down to a few miles and then it locks or grenades. I'd guess U-joint or something in the diff. Try lifting it and spinning the tire if you don't see anything obvious, also check it for play while it's up. Check that the the lugs nuts are still tight and that the wheel doesn't wobble as it spins.
This eliminates ball joints, bushings, tie rods, etc., it's in the rotating assembly and it's not the wheel bearing. A bad wheel bearing makes a sound more like off-road tires humming, when they start making more nasty noises you're down to a few miles and then it locks or grenades. I'd guess U-joint or something in the diff. Try lifting it and spinning the tire if you don't see anything obvious, also check it for play while it's up. Check that the the lugs nuts are still tight and that the wheel doesn't wobble as it spins.
12-16-2014, 09:38 AM
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[QUOTE=Dragonzfire;2994285]
Tightened all four corners to 110 ft/lbs, I'll jack it up and check for play. know when I rotated it replacing the brakes, it was smooth, nothing really was grinding and not much play. though it wasn't 100% smooth, kinda felt the bearings, but i felt that in the hub assembly before I installed it. I can try rocking everything back and forth. when it does happen, i recently discovered that it kinda pops into a groove, then it does its grinding noise, then when you steer out of it going straight, there's kind or another pop and its normal again. not very audible, but i can sense it and kinda feel it. Any ideas on what that could be?
Now that sounds like maybe the gearing shifting.
Tightened all four corners to 110 ft/lbs, I'll jack it up and check for play. know when I rotated it replacing the brakes, it was smooth, nothing really was grinding and not much play. though it wasn't 100% smooth, kinda felt the bearings, but i felt that in the hub assembly before I installed it. I can try rocking everything back and forth. when it does happen, i recently discovered that it kinda pops into a groove, then it does its grinding noise, then when you steer out of it going straight, there's kind or another pop and its normal again. not very audible, but i can sense it and kinda feel it. Any ideas on what that could be?
12-17-2014, 01:40 PM
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12-30-2014, 03:16 PM
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