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Old 09-04-2015, 11:01 PM
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1987 cherokee 4.0 motor. 5speed.

So what's happening is it will idle just fine. But when I put it into gear and give it a little gas like normal it will sputter bog out and die. Sometimes it will start right back up. Sometimes it will crank and crank and not start right away.

So I parked it for a few months because I didn't have the time or money.

But now winter is approaching and I need to get it fixed before it snows.

So the battery was completely dead from sitting for a few months. I put it on a trickle charger and got it to start.

Drove it around the block about 7-10 times and it didn't act up at all.

I know it's gonna act up sooner or later and I need to start tearing into it.

I haven't started to diagnose it yet. Where should I start. I know the spark plugs are good and the O2 sensor is about 3 years old.
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does it do it only when it's hot?
check the catalytic converter. it could be plugged. tap it with a rubber mallet to see if the honeycombe internals has come apart. you can check with a backpressure gauge, but you would have to remove the upstream O2 sensor, which depending on age of it, can be a pita to get out, then to get it or a new one back in without changing the engine pipe.
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1987 cherokee 4.0 motor. 5speed.

So what's happening is it will idle just fine. But when I put it into gear and give it a little gas like normal it will sputter bog out and die. Sometimes it will start right back up. Sometimes it will crank and crank and not start right away.

So I parked it for a few months because I didn't have the time or money.

But now winter is approaching and I need to get it fixed before it snows.

So the battery was completely dead from sitting for a few months. I put it on a trickle charger and got it to start.

Drove it around the block about 7-10 times and it didn't act up at all.

I know it's gonna act up sooner or later and I need to start tearing into it.

I haven't started to diagnose it yet. Where should I start. I know the spark plugs are good and the O2 sensor is about 3 years old.
Fuel Pressure?
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1. If the battery is that far gone it should be replaced first.
2. Check fuel pressure with a gauge you can borrow from Vatozone.
Then,

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does it do it only when it's hot?
check the catalytic converter. it could be plugged. tap it with a rubber mallet to see if the honeycombe internals has come apart. you can check with a backpressure gauge, but you would have to remove the upstream O2 sensor, which depending on age of it, can be a pita to get out, then to get it or a new one back in without changing the engine pipe.
Waaaaaaay too much work, try this:

Here's a simple do it yourself (DIY) test that can be performed to see if your CAT convertor is clogged or if you have excessive exhaust system backpressure or restriction:

Tools needed: vacuum gauge, tee connector

Connect a standard engine vacuum gage into a vacuum port off the intake system. You can tee off the fuel pressure regulator or purge valve lines located on the engine.

Start engine and maintain rpms at 2000 - 2500 rpm.

Watch vacuum gauge and reading should stabilize and stay steady.

If vacuum reading starts dropping or decreasing, it indicates either a clogged CAT convertor or restriction/backpressure in the exhaust system.
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It does it hot or cold.

I'll try to check the Cat.
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Any other ideas? Besides the cat and fuel pressure. Which I will check next week. Gotta get it down to my shop.
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Fuel pump or coil / ignition module
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So now I can't get it to act up. Must be an intermediate issue. Which is gonna make it harder to trouble shoot
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Might have been a fluke. My renix was bogging under throttle and backfiring out the intake. Long story but it turned out to be one of the wires to the lower sensors grounding. Unfortunately I don't know which it was, but that condition may be caused by being lean, which the temp sensor could maybe do. ( I don't think the 02 has that range).

Sometime when it won't start, giggle those wires....
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I started it today. Got it up to operating temp. And it wouldn't act up. Sprayed around for a vacuum leak. Didn't find one.

Tested the TPS. It was out of adjustment a little (0.6v) so I adjusted it to 0.8v and according to the test procedure it's fine. When I started it again the idle jumped way up. Like 5k rpm. Shut it off. Waited a couple mins and started back up and idled normally.
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Might also be worth pointing out my radiator is plugged up. It's gotten hot. But not enough to do any major damage.
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Of the tips in my signature below, how many have you completed?
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These dam "smart things just **** me off! Youngsters, there waz a day when we could communicate.
Here ya go. Maybe look for an app or something so you get the full window.

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Anyone getting Cruisers response for a Rienx problem is a lucky one. Unfortunately, this bogging and popping back seems to be a pretty sticky issue. Ruling out the basics, (1-5) for you is an excellent start. Checking fuel pressure is free. 29 with the vac line on the regulator and about 10 less with it off.

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