bad valve guides symptoms
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bad valve guides symptoms
Smoking under acceleration. All the time rings or valves I know its burning oil n needs lower bearings have no loss in power unless. It idles for awhile. Then its sluggish. For a quick period
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Maybe merely valve guide seals, or it could be the oil control ring losing tension (and therefore seal.)
Valve guide seals will tend to be more prominent on startup, and the smoking should decrease a bit as the engine runs (the oil heats up and soaks into the seals, which softens them. This usually slows down or stops the leak.)
A failed/failing oil control ring is usually consistent, no matter how much the engine is run.
As far as the valve guides proper? Wear there won't cause an oil leak, but it may cause the valve to be "mis-seated" on the valve seat, which will cause a loss of power, not an oil leak. At least, not right away - but as the valve is allowed to wobble, it can usually weaken the garter spring that holds the sealing lip against the valve stem.
The best way I can think of to check this without tearing anything to bits is to go get a can of a good seal conditioner (not some "snake oil" brand, but one that's been around for a while - Marvel Mystery Oil has limited seal-conditioning properties as well, I've been using it for about 30 years...) and dump it in. Over the next couple of days, if the smoking decreases markedly, then plan a valve guide seal job.
If it does not, plan a re-ring (since you'll have the head off do to that job, may as well do valve guide seals anyhow then.)
So, you could either end up doing the upper job (valve guide seals) or both jobs (re-ring and valve guide seals.)
However, you can do valve guide seals without pulling the head - run the piston down to BDC, feed in 1/4" soft rope through the spark plug hole until the cylinder is full, gently run the piston up. Change the seals, run the piston back down, and pull out the rope. Repeat 6x.
(Yes, you will be moving the piston up and down by turning the crankshaft with a wrench! Even after making that point painfully clear, I still had someone - years ago - decide to "bump" the piston up using the starter. He had the nerve to get mad at me for his engine breaking - I think the #1 rod snapped - and I pointed to him in the written instructions I'd given him that he'd be using a wrench, and what size wrench was needed! So, I always make the point of using a wrench clear, and I hope no-one else gets it wrong...)
Valve guide seals will tend to be more prominent on startup, and the smoking should decrease a bit as the engine runs (the oil heats up and soaks into the seals, which softens them. This usually slows down or stops the leak.)
A failed/failing oil control ring is usually consistent, no matter how much the engine is run.
As far as the valve guides proper? Wear there won't cause an oil leak, but it may cause the valve to be "mis-seated" on the valve seat, which will cause a loss of power, not an oil leak. At least, not right away - but as the valve is allowed to wobble, it can usually weaken the garter spring that holds the sealing lip against the valve stem.
The best way I can think of to check this without tearing anything to bits is to go get a can of a good seal conditioner (not some "snake oil" brand, but one that's been around for a while - Marvel Mystery Oil has limited seal-conditioning properties as well, I've been using it for about 30 years...) and dump it in. Over the next couple of days, if the smoking decreases markedly, then plan a valve guide seal job.
If it does not, plan a re-ring (since you'll have the head off do to that job, may as well do valve guide seals anyhow then.)
So, you could either end up doing the upper job (valve guide seals) or both jobs (re-ring and valve guide seals.)
However, you can do valve guide seals without pulling the head - run the piston down to BDC, feed in 1/4" soft rope through the spark plug hole until the cylinder is full, gently run the piston up. Change the seals, run the piston back down, and pull out the rope. Repeat 6x.
(Yes, you will be moving the piston up and down by turning the crankshaft with a wrench! Even after making that point painfully clear, I still had someone - years ago - decide to "bump" the piston up using the starter. He had the nerve to get mad at me for his engine breaking - I think the #1 rod snapped - and I pointed to him in the written instructions I'd given him that he'd be using a wrench, and what size wrench was needed! So, I always make the point of using a wrench clear, and I hope no-one else gets it wrong...)
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I wanna play too!
YOUR ENGINE IS SHOT.
Replace it with a 4.0 from a 1988 - 1990 Jeep Cherokee.
Think that will answer his questions? Doubt it..
He ran a 4 page thread asking the same questions. LOL
YOUR ENGINE IS SHOT.
Replace it with a 4.0 from a 1988 - 1990 Jeep Cherokee.
Think that will answer his questions? Doubt it..
He ran a 4 page thread asking the same questions. LOL
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Valve guides can be replaced by themselves without removing the head.
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Valve stem SEALS can be replaced without removing the head. Valve guides cannot.
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Originally Posted by diskman
I wanna play too!
YOUR ENGINE IS SHOT.
Replace it with a 4.0 from a 1988 - 1990 Jeep Cherokee.
Think that will answer his questions? Doubt it..
He ran a 4 page thread asking the same questions. LOL
YOUR ENGINE IS SHOT.
Replace it with a 4.0 from a 1988 - 1990 Jeep Cherokee.
Think that will answer his questions? Doubt it..
He ran a 4 page thread asking the same questions. LOL
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Actually, any 4.0 from 87 to 99 can be used and I've already posted the instructions in one of the other mile-long threads but was told it's too much trouble to do.
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There are few if any more knowledgeable on Renix Jeeps than Cruiser and while there are some guru's here, no one (<<TWO words) takes the time to help folks out like he does so for you to disregard his input is just one more indication of what a troll you are. Just sayin'. Go ahead, Sunshine, call me a ****tard again, I obviously don't care.
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Thanks for clarifying that, belvedere. I mistakenly assumed he was working on his heater blower now.
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