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Old 11-03-2011, 10:49 AM   #1
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Last friday, my jeep started to skip/misfire when travelling between 50 - 70 mph. The check engine light was blinking, then stayed on consistently. Saturday the check engine light was off. I put the code scanner on it, and everything passed. However, I still have the problem. The car runs well except for when shifting from overdrive to 3rd, and when accelerating past 2200 rpms in 3rd. The sputtering misfire was at its worst friday and saturday. The sputter/misfire was violent. It has mellowed out, but it still skips/misfires around the 2000 rpm range in 3rd and OD when on the throttle? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Old 11-03-2011, 12:48 PM   #2
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When is the last time you replaced the plugs, wires, distributor cap and rotor? If you had a check engine light on at one point, scanning for codes should result in SOMETHING, even if the light has since gone off. Does it start promptly or take a while cranking until it starts? Sounds like old ignition components to me though, as it is only occuring under heavy load.
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There is no distributor cap, rotor or wires on the 00-01 XJ.

Plugs though should be verified and replaced if it's been a while. I like the NGK copper plugs gapped to .035 for the 00-01.

You may though, have an issue with the "throttle position sensor". That can give you both misfires AND transmission shifting issues. I'd test it. Here is more.
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The throttle position sensor is connected to the throttle shaft on the throttle body. It sends throttle valve angle information to the PCM. The PCM uses this information to determine how much fuel the engine needs. The TPS is really just a simple potentiometer with one end connected to 5 volts from the PCM and the other to ground. A third wire is connected to the PCM. As you move the accelerator pedal with your foot, the output of the TPS changes. At a closed throttle position, the output of the TPS is low, about a half a volt. As the throttle valve opens, the output increases so that, at wide open throttle, the output voltage should be above 3.9 volts. Testing can be performed with an electrical meter. Analog meter is best. You are looking for a smooth sweep of voltage throughout the entire throttle band. While slowly opening and closing the throttle, take note to the movement of the voltmeter needle. There should be a direct relationship between the needle motion to the motion of the throttle. If at anytime the needle moves abruptly or inconsistently with the movement of the throttle, the TPS is bad

You should have 5 volts going into the TPS. At idle, TPS output voltage must be greater than 200 millivolts. At wide open throttle (WOT), TPS output voltage must be less than 4.8 volts.. The best is to use an analog meter (not digital) to see if the transition from idle to WOT is smooth with no dead spots. With your meter set for volts, put the black probe on a good ground like your negative battery terminal. With the key on, engine not running, test with the red probe of your meter (install a paper clip into the back of the plug of the TPS) to see which wire has the 5 volts. One of the other wires should show .26V (or so). The other wire will be the ground and should show no voltage. Move the throttle and look for smooth meter response up to the 4.49 at WOT.

Perform the test procedure again and wiggle and/or tap on the TPS while you watch the meter. If you notice any flat spots or abrupt changes in the meter readings, replace the TPS.

The TPS is sensitive to heat, moisture and vibration leading to the failure of some units. The sensor is a sealed unit and cannot be repaired only replaced. A TPS may fail gradually leading to a number of symptoms which can include one or more of the following: -

NOTE: The throttle position sensor is also DIRECTLY involved with transmission shifting characteristics! It should be verified early in the troubleshooting process, when a transmission issue is suspected!

• Poor idle control: The TPS is used by the ECU to determine if the throttle is closed and the car should be using the Idle Air Control Valve exclusively for idle control. A fault TPS sensor can confuse the ECU causing the idle to be erratic or "hunting".
• High Idle Speed: The TPS may report faulty values causing the engine idle speed to be increased above normal. This is normally found in conjunction with a slow engine return to idle speed symptom.
• Slow engine return to idle: A failing TPS can report the minimum throttle position values incorrectly which can stop the engine entering idle mode when the throttle is closed. Normally when the throttle is closed the engine fuel injectors will be deactivated until a defined engine RPM speed is reached and the engine brought smoothly to idle speed. When failing a TPS will not report the throttle closed and fueling will continue causing the engine to return to idle very slowly.
• Engine Hesitation on Throttle Application: The TPS is also used by the ECU to determine if the driver has applied the throttle quicker than the Manifold Air Pressure sensor can read. The fueling is adjusted acordingly to cope with the sudden increase in air volume, however a faulty sensor can cause the ECU to ignore this data and the engine will "hesitate" when applying the throttle. In extreme cases with the engine at idle, a sudden application of full throttle can stall the engine.
• Engine Misfire: A fault TPS can report values outside the deined acceptable range causing the ECU to incorrectly fuel the engine. This is noticable as a slight misfire and can trigger the misfire detection software and/or Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) light on the dashboard. Extreme cases can cause excessing misfires resulting in one or more cylinders being shut down to prevent engine and catalytic converter damage.
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Thank you both for your quick responses.

I will double check for codes, pull the plugs, and check the TPS tomorrow.

I forgot to mention that recently it has been sometimes hard to start, and when it gets going, the transmission will not shift normally, it shifts at higher rpms.

Thanks again for your help. I will post my results. I really appreciate it!
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Thank you both for your quick responses.

I will double check for codes, pull the plugs, and check the TPS tomorrow.

I forgot to mention that recently it has been sometimes hard to start, and when it gets going, the transmission will not shift normally, it shifts at higher rpms.

Thanks again for your help. I will post my results. I really appreciate it!
Get new plugs in there if it's been a while, but I have a gut feeling about the TPS for this one.
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I replaced the TPS sensor and the spark plugs. It runs great! Thank you!
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I replaced the TPS sensor and the spark plugs. It runs great! Thank you!
Glad I could help. Cheap fix.

Always keep the TPS in mind for AW4 shifting symptoms........
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